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Another oil spill?

Fri, 03 Sep 2010 00:12:18 +0000

http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/09/02/oil-...oil-spill/

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Rashad Evans UFC 88 Entrance using Immortal Tech's Point of No Return

Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:26:52 +0000

Enjoy!!!

I need a good counter argument

Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:17:34 +0000

I was talking to two of my classmates at college today, we were talking about money and I said the world would be a better place without money. They replied without money people wouldn't work and lots of things wouldn't exist, like technology. For the life of me I couldn't think of a counter. So some help would be much appreciated. Thanks

Websta - Brainwash (fake Democracy)

Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:01:42 +0000

Check this out!

Oops, didn't knew there was a right section for it, could anyone move it to the right one? "Showcase"

another one

Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:01:17 +0000

perfect apocolypse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W8YjBSkV6M

thanks for the feed back on the last tracks im sorry if the sound qaulity isnt as good on this one but i did in my bedroom rather than goin studio but leave me your thoughts and comments anyway bless

Beast1333 Collabo...

Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:55:51 +0000

http://www.beast1333.com/collabo.html

Check out these extortionate prices!!!...$1,000.00 for a 16 and hook!!!...That's a bump for someone who's flow is consistantly off beat...I wouldn't pay for that if I had the money!!! lol...

Deus Ex: Human Revolution

Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:04:07 +0000

Damn this game looks quality, even if you're not thinking about buying this you should watch the trailer!

Loving the Icarus symbology to show the dangers of transhumanism

National Security Agency.

Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:29:32 +0000

Well there is this shit about it that kinda makes me go . . .
their site is called http://www.NSA.org, but they have also bought another domain that will lead to their site which is http://www.itanimulli.com ... ok itanimulli is illuminati backwards. So what is your answer to this... cuz im blank...

Assassin's creed on 2012, Templar Knights & Ancient Secrets?

Thu, 02 Sep 2010 04:22:04 +0000

What is your opinion on Assassin's creed and it's sequel(s)?

Daniel Estulin and the phony ‘Bilderberg conspiracy’

Thu, 02 Sep 2010 01:49:58 +0000

This is an absolute must-read, especially for this forum. Although I continue to see everyday an overthrow against baseless, illogical conspiracy theories, & them being replaced with intellectual discussions through various topics, the forum is still victim of these phony conspiracy theories. I hope everyone reads this, for it's a vital importance if we want to liberate the oppressed & exploited.

Daniel Estulin and the phony ‘Bilderberg conspiracy’
Wednesday, September 1, 2010

Statement from the Party for Socialism and Liberation

The Bilderberg Group is an annual meeting of corporate executives and government officials from around the world. Until recently, most people probably did not know it existed. In the past week, the group and theories about its real purpose have been featured prominently in the news.

The main cause of this unprecedented surge in interest was the visit of author Daniel Estulin to Cuba on Aug. 26. Estulin has written two books about the Bilderberg Group. When in Cuba, Estulin met with revolutionary leader Fidel Castro, who had just written several articles citing Estulin’s work. The meeting and Estulin’s writings have been given extensive coverage in the Cuban press. This coverage has, in turn, been picked up by media outlets worldwide.

The Party for Socialism and Liberation stands fully in solidarity with the great Cuban Revolution. The revolution freed Cuba from U.S. domination and exploitation and brought into being the “first free territory of the Americas.” Cuba’s determined struggle and internationalism, under the leadership of Fidel and the Cuban Communist Party, have been an inspiration to those struggling for liberation everywhere.

We are concerned, however, that the publicity given to Estulin and his ideas could have a disorienting effect on some in the world socialist and progressive movements. We view Estulin’s writings as anti-Marxist and rooted in right-wing conspiracy “theories” that lack factual support.

Since shortly after its founding in 1954, numerous extreme right wingers, starting with the John Birch Society and Phyllis Schlafly, have theorized that the Bilderberg Group is really a conspiracy to take over the world, some saying that it already has.

Among them is Estulin, a virulent anti-communist who describes himself as “a Russian expatriate who was kicked out of the Soviet Union in 1980,” and claims that his grandfather “was a colonel in the KGB and the counter-intelligence in the 1950s so I am privileged somewhat to get a lot of the information from secret service which are our best sources.” (Infowars.com, May 27, 2005.) The accuracy of this or anything else that Estulin says about himself or the world is open to question, given his seemingly limitless capacity for fabrication.

Passing fiction for reality

According to Estulin, the “Bilderbergers,” as he calls them, are responsible for an extraordinary range of things he does not like, from the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution to the popularity of the Beatles. In his 2007 book, “The true story of the Bilderberg Group”, Estulin asserts that the group has “become a shadow world government.”

Along with other bizarre conspiracy “theories,” the “Bilderberger” version totally rejects class analysis in favor of the notion that a small, supra-national band of men is pulling the global strings, creating everything from flu epidemics, to the housing collapse, to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Rather than seeing imperialism and capitalism—led by the United States—as the enemy of the world’s workers and oppressed peoples, Estulin and his co-thinkers (including the notorious Lyndon LaRouche) propagate the fiction that a secret, all-powerful cabal has been running the world since before the dawn of the capitalist era.

In an interview with a blogger in Barcelona, Spain, Estulin said of the Bilderberg Group:

“It is essentially a private criminal enterprise which stretches across the globe, operating through a network of government agencies, private institutions and both publicly owned and private corporations and financial institutions. Now this extended network, which is called the fondi, stretches all the way back to the Middle Ages. Again the fondi is the combined wealth of these oligarchical families. … At the heart of the fondi system, you have the powerful merchant private banks such as the Rothschild banks. And even more powerful than Rothschild is the Lazard bank. One of the reasons that the Bilderbergers have never been able to discredit me is that historically I can show you that what today is called the Bilderberg Club can be traced back in time to the Venetian Black Nobility, 500 years ago.” (Lishman’s Diary, Feb. 2, 2008.)

Estulin links the Bilderberg Group to the Trilateral Commission, and claims that both seek to suppress imperialist nationalisms in favor of a secret “New World Order.” Here is more from “The true story of the Bilderberg Group”:

“Without a doubt, the Bilderberg Group is the premier occult forum operating in the shadows of power, but a little understood entity—the Trilateral Commission (TC)—also plays a vital role in the New World Order’s scheme to use wealth, concentrated in the hands of the few, to exert world control.”

Estulin continues, “The powerful individuals who belong to the Trilateral Commission all share the same anti-nationalist philosophy, and try to prevent the national forces within their respective countries from exerting influence on policy. The Trilateral Commission was established in 1973. Its founder and primary mover was international financier David Rockefeller, longtime chairman of the Rockefeller family-controlled Chase Manhattan Bank.”

Turning history on its head

In his 2006 book “Secrets of the Bilderberg Club,” Estulin, like his fellow reactionary LaRouche (who is heavily referenced by Estulin) puts forward the anti-materialist thesis that the British are in control of the United States, the most powerful empire in history.

In Estulin’s fantasy world the “Bilderbergers” organized and financed the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917 and “controlled” the leaders of the revolution. All of this, 37 years before the Bilderberg Group even came into existence! “Once again, it would be the networks of British military intelligence which would be the initiators, with CIA help via its ex-director William Casey and its contacts with Sefton Delmer of MI6, whose contact Bruce Lockhart was the MI6 controller of Lenin and Trotsky during the Bolshevik Revolution,” asserts Estulin in the “Secrets of the Bilderberg Club.”

In the real world, Robert H. Bruce Lockhart, the British ambassador to Moscow, was arrested in 1918 and nearly executed for his part in a plot to assassinate Lenin and overthrow the new Soviet state before being freed in a prisoner exchange. The British government was the main coordinator of counterrevolution in Soviet Russia from 1918-20, when armies of 14 imperialist countries joined the “White” forces against the Bolsheviks. The counterrevolutionaries were ultimately defeated in their attempt to “strangle the Bolshevik baby in its cradle,” as Winston Churchill had urged.

A half-century later, the nefarious British “Bilderbergers” were still at work, alleges Estulin in comic-ominous tones. This time, they used music to corrupt the youth of the United States and control their minds. Estulin’s “Secrets of the Bilderberg Club” continues, “For an unprecedented two Sundays in a row, on the Ed Sullivan Show, over 75 million Americans watched the Beatles shake their heads and sway their bodies in a ritual which was soon to be replicated by hundreds of future rock groups.”

He then attempts to link—without the thinnest strand of actual evidence—the Beatles and rock music to Nazi propaganda. Referring to the wave of British groups that came to the United States in the following years, Estulin states, again with no supporting facts, that “it was demonstrated that this ‘English invasion’ had been well-planned and coordinated.”

For Estulin and his co-conspiracy “theorists,” nothing is ever as it seems, and all major world developments are the work of the hidden “Bilderberger” hand. Here is a clear example of his worldview from “The true story of the Bilderberg Group”: “The Watergate crisis is a case of mistaken identity and a travesty of justice. The truth behind Watergate has never been revealed, but those who orchestrated the overthrow of the Shah, the war in the Falklands, the death of Aldo Moro and the downfall of Margaret Thatcher are again implicated.”

The bombings of the Oklahoma City Federal Building in 1995, the World Trade Center in 2001 and a nightclub in Bali in 2002 were all mini-nuclear attacks carried out in the interests of the “Bilderbergers,” according to Estulin. He does not seem to care that none of the bombings emitted any radiation—the main characteristic of a nuclear explosion.

Conspiracy “theories” like those put forward by Estulin, LaRouche and others produce false consciousness and cultism. They have a generally disorienting and demoralizing effect on people’s consciousness and movements for change.

Marxism rejects conspiracy ‘theories’

Conspiracy “theories” lead to a dead end. If taken at face value, people must believe that there is no hope for change; there is no opportunity to struggle and make things better for the mass of humanity who suffers. After all, how could anyone fight against a hidden, all-powerful enemy that controls every event of significance in the world? The sense of powerlessness that logically flows from conspiracy “theories” often leaves those who buy into them looking for a lone “savior,” a role the same conspiracy proponents are more than prepared to fulfill.

Conspiracy “theories” lack any true analysis of the systemic class forces at work that oppress billions of people each day. They do not point to imperialism or capitalism as the main problems, instead ascribing them to a few leaders from imperialist countries that are somehow above the class systems under which we live. Such “theories” are not only false, anti-Marxist and truly reductive of history—they are dangerous diversions that keep people from aiming their anger and hatred toward the system that actually causes oppression throughout the world.

Of course, we understand that actual conspiracies and intrigue do exist. They are used by the ruling classes to set people up, as pretexts to start conflicts or overthrow governments, and in myriad ways to serve the interests of capitalism. But actual conspiracies are much different than presenting crudely assembled facts as representative of broad social and political trends.

Revolutionary Marxism rejects such false conspiracy “theories.” Marxism not only has a radically different understanding of the causes of crises in contemporary capitalist society, it offers a real basis for optimism and solutions as well.

Marxism’s class-based analysis of history offers an explanation of war and other crises rooted in reality, not fiction.

War has a particular cause in the modern epoch. Major wars are not conspiracies launched by a handful of people, but result from the constant search by capitalists to open up and dominate new markets to exploit for profits. Sometimes capitalist competition for these markets is the cause. Wars also result from the attempt by capitalists to destroy countries and peoples who seek to liberate themselves from imperialist domination and market exploitation.

Let’s be clear: the struggle against war and exploitation is a struggle against the very system that breeds war—capitalism. It is not the struggle against the Bilderberg Group or some shadowy world government. In fact, no such world government exists.

The conspiracy “theories” espoused by Estulin offer no solutions. There is no light at the end of the conspiracy tunnel—just thousands of discreet facts jumbled together to create a rather incoherent reality that has little to do with the real world.

The real solution is something Estulin and other conspiracy writers would never advocate or contemplate: socialism. Humanity’s struggle is to put an end to the destructive and dehumanizing capitalist system that rules in most of the world’s countries today and replace it with a system based on meeting the needs of the people.

The first socialist revolutions in Russia, China, Cuba and other countries show that this hope is not a pipedream. Up until now, those revolutions have taken place in poorer countries, which posed huge obstacles to the workers’ governments. The ever-present threat of imperialist attack has also made development difficult. Nevertheless, each country was able to make great, sometimes incredible, advances while building socialism.

Cuba’s outstanding health and education systems and its renowned internationalism would have been unthinkable without a socialist revolution. Cuba has resisted counterrevolution and worked to construct socialism for over 50 years. Its ongoing revolutionary process has not been sanctioned by any capitalist government or by the Bilderberg Group. That is not why revolutionary Cuba exists today.

Cuba’s people have been able to withstand the greatest economic hardships and imperialist threats because the system under which they live benefits the people, and seeks to end exploitation. They have had the invaluable, revolutionary leadership of the Communist Party.

The promotion of Estulin’s ideas in Cuba does not diminish one iota the PSL’s defense of the Cuban Revolution and its incredible ongoing achievements. It is our opinion, however, that Estulin’s worldview is incompatible with revolutionary Marxism.

http://www.pslweb.org/site/News2/2021559..._ctrl=1261

Ahmadi's/Qadiyani's - What do you know and what do you think?

Thu, 02 Sep 2010 01:25:55 +0000

I think no-one has created a thread about Ahmadi's. I'm really curious to know what people "know" or most probably only "think" of Ahmadi's. I hope muslims as well as non-muslims comment about what they know or think and also I have seen many people talk about Islam and I think it's time to talk about religion less mainstream and something people know less about so everyone can learn something out of it.

Not guilty. The Israeli captain who emptied his rifle into a Palestinian schoolgirl

Wed, 01 Sep 2010 23:49:14 +0000

· Officer ignored warnings that teenager was terrified
· Defence says 'confirming the kill' standard practice

* Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
* The Guardian, Wednesday 16 November 2005

An Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old was acquitted on all charges by a military court yesterday.

The soldier, who has only been identified as "Captain R", was charged with relatively minor offences for the killing of Iman al-Hams who was shot 17 times as she ventured near an Israeli army post near Rafah refugee camp in Gaza a year ago.

The manner of Iman's killing, and the revelation of a tape recording in which the captain is warned that she was just a child who was "scared to death", made the shooting one of the most controversial since the Palestinian intifada erupted five years ago even though hundreds of other children have also died.

After the verdict, Iman's father, Samir al-Hams, said the army never intended to hold the soldier accountable.

"They did not charge him with Iman's murder, only with small offences, and now they say he is innocent of those even though he shot my daughter so many times," he said. "This was the cold-blooded murder of a girl. The soldier murdered her once and the court has murdered her again. What is the message? They are telling their soldiers to kill Palestinian children."

The military court cleared the soldier of illegal use of his weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer and perverting the course of justice by asking soldiers under his command to alter their accounts of the incident.

Capt R's lawyers argued that the "confirmation of the kill" after a suspect is shot was a standard Israeli military practice to eliminate terrorist threats.

Following the verdict, Capt R burst into tears, turned to the public benches and said: "I told you I was innocent."

The army's official account said that Iman was shot for crossing into a security zone carrying her schoolbag which soldiers feared might contain a bomb. It is still not known why the girl ventured into the area but witnesses described her as at least 100 yards from the military post which was in any case well protected.

A recording of radio exchanges between Capt R and his troops obtained by Israeli television revealed that from the beginning soldiers identified Iman as a child.

In the recording, a soldier in a watchtower radioed a colleague in the army post's operations room and describes Iman as "a little girl" who was "scared to death". After soldiers first opened fire, she dropped her schoolbag which was then hit by several bullets establishing that it did not contain explosive. At that point she was no longer carrying the bag and, the tape revealed, was heading away from the army post when she was shot.

Although the military speculated that Iman might have been trying to "lure" the soldiers out of their base so they could be attacked by accomplices, Capt R made the decision to lead some of his troops into the open. Shortly afterwards he can be heard on the recording saying that he has shot the girl and, believing her dead, then "confirmed the kill".

"I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over," he said.

Palestinian witnesses said they saw the captain shoot Iman twice in the head, walk away, turn back and fire a stream of bullets into her body.

On the tape, Capt R then "clarifies" to the soldiers under his command why he killed Iman: "This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the [security] zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed."

At no point did the Israeli troops come under attack.

The prosecution case was damaged when a soldier who initially said he had seen Capt R point his weapon at the girl's body and open fire later told the court he had fabricated the story.

Capt R claimed that he had not fired the shots at the girl but near her. However, Dr Mohammed al-Hams, who inspected the child's body at Rafah hospital, counted numerous wounds. "She has at least 17 bullets in several parts of the body, all along the chest, hands, arms, legs," he told the Guardian shortly afterwards. "The bullets were large and shot from a close distance. The most serious injuries were to her head. She had three bullets in the head. One bullet was shot from the right side of the face beside the ear. It had a big impact on the whole face."

The army's initial investigation concluded that the captain had "not acted unethically". But after some of the soldiers under his command went to the Israeli press to give a different version, the military police launched a separate investigation after which he was charged.

Capt R claimed that the soldiers under his command were out to get him because they are Jewish and he is Druze.

The transcript

The following is a recording of a three-way conversation that took place between a soldier in a watchtower, an army operations room and Capt R, who shot the girl

From the watchtower [three-way conversation between watchtower soldier, the operations room in another location, and finally, Captain R, the officer on the ground near watchtower "It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward." "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?" "A girl about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death." "I think that one of the positions took her out." "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."

From the operations room "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?"

Watchtower "A girl about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death."

A few minutes later, Iman is shot from one of the army posts

Watchtower "I think that one of the positions took her out."

Captain R "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."

Capt R then "clarifies" why he killed Iman

"This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over."

• This article was amended on 1 September 2010, to make explicit that the opening watchtower conversation is between three participants.

ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!

assault on alaskan protester

Wed, 01 Sep 2010 23:18:33 +0000

"This first day of the 2010 Alaska State Fair starts with sunny skies and a brutal assault by security personnel on a LaRouche supporter.

At about 5pm Alaska Time, Thursday, August 26, 2010, security personnel approach a lone man peacefully displaying an impeach Obama sign near Pioneer Plaza on the Alaska State Fairgrounds in Palmer. Minutes later, a crowd assembles, additional security forces arrive, and they physically assault the man holding the sign. He’s taken to the ground with force and detained.

An unidentified Alaska State Trooper arrives to physically disperse the crowd, and at several points during the conflict, crowd members yell in support of the demonstrator’s right to speak his message. The demonstrator is held captive until Palmer police arrive to escort the man away in cuffs."

Well isn't it lovely knowing that our rights are being taken from us one by one i wonder what the next one we'll lose is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppBZM88mH...verified=1

CHARITY SINGLE - SABOTAGE - UNITED WE STAND

Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:36:30 +0000

a charity single has been released by sabotage a well know rapper from the asian music scene, the song called united we stand is a single featuring some well known names in the asian music scene, all the money made from this track will be donated to DECs pakistans flood appeal. the track itself is pretty decent,

can everyone try and buy it its only 79p

http://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/united-...d389978941

Finale & Spier 1200 - Eye of the Beholder (Ft. Invincible and eLZhi)

Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:20:55 +0000

Raekwon, Kanye West, and Justin Beiber

Wed, 01 Sep 2010 19:48:23 +0000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huj1r7j37Sk

I'm not too familiar with Raekwon is he necessarily a legend? (I know he a part of Wu-Tang but I am unfamiliar with his actual talent.
Kanye is just something he'd do, and Justin Beiber of course part of every-era's pretty boy singer like Aaron Carter etc.

My discussion is really on what your thoughts of Raekwon now

Immortal Technique, J-Zone, Dru-Ha, etc. answer Panel Question @ Fat Beats, NYC

Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:06:51 +0000

"There was a music panel discussion held at Fat Beats, NYC during it's final week. The music panel consisted of Duck Down Records co-founder, Dru-Ha, rapper/producer J-Zone, rapper/activist Immortal Technique, DJ Eclipse, DJ DP One and also Jim Mahoney. I asked the panel if they felt that their European fanbase showed more support than their American fanbase. This was their response. At Fat Beats, NYC's Final Week on Tuesday, 8/31/10. R.I.P. Fat Beats".

Security for Everyone, Not Just Settlers and Occupiers (Democracy Now!)

Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:58:09 +0000

"Security for Everyone, Not Just Settlers and Occupiers" – Ali Abunimah on Opening of US-Brokered Mideast Peace Talks

Click here to watch the video

US-brokered talks between Israel and the Palestinian Authority begin today in Washington. Both sides agreed to sit down last month after the US successfully pressured Palestinian leaders to drop their precondition of an Israeli settlement freeze. On the eve of the summit, Palestinian militants killed four Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank. We speak with Ali Abunimah, co-founder of The Electronic Intifada.

Quote:"...we will not let terror decide where Israelis live or the configuration of our final borders..."

- Benjamin Netanyahu

Too bad you have no legal right to "decide the configuration" of your final boarders in the first place. The whole of the West Bank, Gaza and much else belongs to others, the law is clear on that. People have every right to protect their homes, land and people from genocide and colonization.

Quote:"...this kind of savage brutality has no place in any country, under any circumstances. Forces of terror and destruction cannot be allowed to continue..."

- Hillary Clinton

I guess that dropping bombs and white phosphorus on one of the most densely populated areas on the planet is not "savage brutality"? Who has caused the most destruction on this planet again? Yeah, that's what I thought you fucking piece of shit. Fuck you.

Anarchist bookfair 2010

Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:03:41 +0000

Ok so this years London anarchist bookfair is being held in october and i was wondering if anyone on here has been to one of these events (anywhere) before and are they any good as I want to go this year?

I seem to know very few people who share similar views to mine but I know there must be some tech fans who’ve been to one of these

For those who don’t know what im talking about:

http://anarchistbookfair.org.uk/

Obama on end of Iraq war

Wed, 01 Sep 2010 14:15:16 +0000

I saw this live last night. It was much longer than this, I can't find the rest of it. Last night, he talked about Iraq, Afghanistan, taking care of the vets that are out of action, healing Iraq and mixed in a bit of fixing the American economy, which was kinda werid because it was kind of vague and not really relevent to the issue.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11147069