Immortal Technique: Unofficial Forum
Rising of a True Religion: Islam - Printable Version

+- Immortal Technique: Unofficial Forum (http://www.immortaltechnique.co.uk)
+-- Forum: General Discussion (/Forum-General-Discussion)
+--- Forum: Religion/Spirituality (/Forum-Religion-Spirituality)
+--- Thread: Rising of a True Religion: Islam (/Thread-Rising-of-a-True-Religion-Islam)

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5


Rising of a True Religion: Islam - KingoftheAvenge - 04-14-2010 12:50 AM

A true religion must be adaptable, flexible and should be one that covers all the aspects and dimensions of human life including its material and spiritual needs. Out of all the great religions of the world, only Islam provides practical solutions to the social, economic, political and spiritual problems faced by humanity today.



From the world view of Islam, only one God created heavens and the earths and He is the only One who truly guides the nature and life.



Marmaduke Pickthall, a known British scholar, writes "There is no greater blessing for a human being to enjoy other than being guided towards Islam. Once you realize the truth and accept Islam, the mist will be automatically removed.



He continues "You begin to differentiate between faith and disbelief, truth and falsehood, happiness and misery. I thank Almighty God for bestowing this great blessing on me. My awakened conscience has filled my life with such great happiness which I knew not before. In short, I am proud to be part of the Muslim Ummah, enjoying the shade of this blessed tree called Islam." R1



It is the beauty of Islam that it seamlessly knits science, religion, wisdom, material and spritual domains in a unified whole. According to Islamic theology, Islam did not initiated by just prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family).



Rather, in actuality, Islam started right from prophet Adam and carried forward by one lack and twenty four thousand prophets carrying the same message of one God. Prophet Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus carried the same message through centuries.



Only Islam promotes the idea of a healthy and dynamic society build on principles of divine justice and spiritual unity. It is fair to say that, in the face of current human crises, establishment of Islamic system is the only solution.



Lord Douglas Hamilton, a British industrialist, writes "Islam is the only religion capable of combating social discrimination, agnosticism and the decadence of modem civilization. It continues to attract a number of university graduates, who have been disillusioned with various ideologies and isms." R1



Istraed Shmart, U.S.A. writes "I came across several Muslims in Elynews, whose friendship enlightened me about Islam and eventually I became a Muslim. The turning point in my life was, when one of my Muslim friends said that if God really willed to have a son, undoubtedly he would not have adopted one of his own creatures.



He continues "Brother, He the Almighty is Eternal and above all these defects", remarked my friend. These magic words awakened my conscience. The sentence was quite logical and after reasoning, I realized that Jesus Christ (a.s.) was just one of the Prophets sent by God, the most High" R1



Dr. Gernia, a former French MP, writes "For a long time I have carefully studied the holy Qur'an and was amazed to discover that its verses contain a mine of knowledge, dealing with such diverse sciences as astronomy, medicine, biology, health, social care, etc.



He further writes "And the interesting point is, all of these remarkably agree with our own modem rational mind and scientific discoveries made on these subjects. However the important thing which convinced me of the truth of Islam and Muhammad's (s.a.w) prophethood was the fact that without ever sitting before a teacher, he already knew before 1400 years, what modem science is beginning to unravel today.



I firmly believe that if any scientist or scholar compares the Qur'anic verses with his own particular field of research, undoubtedly like me, he will realize the truth and become a Muslim." R1



Leopold Vaise, An Austrian journalist and writer who changed his name to Muhammad Assad, writes “Honestly I am at a loss to say which particular field in Islam attracts me more. For me Islam is like a complete and flawless structure whose parts are inter-related and joined firmly and harmoniously together.



In other words, no part of Islamic laws or values is out of place or dispensable and is precisely perfect in catering to even the minutest detail of a human's life. In short Islam is a cohesive unit whose every idea perefectly fits in its right place and this has made a profound effect on my life." R1



Sir Archibald Hamilton, U.K. writes "It was quite natural for me not to resist the magnetic pull of Islam. What a wonderful system of life! Besides forbidding all generally frowned upon vices, it explicitly prohibits the drinking of alcoholic beverages and intoxicants as well as the taking or giving of usury.



He further explains "In other words Islam does not allow any individual or group to exploit the other. These wise injunctions coupled with the philanthropic obligations of 'Khoms' and 'Zakat' (poor-rates) to be distributed by the haves among the have-nots without the latter's need to beg, make Islam a dynamic religion.




Moreover begging is discouraged by Islam as a loss of self-respect. These laws, not only maintain a social balance by removing barriers of ignorance but elevate human dignity to its greatest heights." R1



Brigette Honey, U.K., writes " Through some of my friends I came across an English translation of the holy Qur'an. After reading the first two chapters when I had just started the third one, I suddenly felt an uncontrollable urge to prostrate myself before God."



She further writes "It was the first time I had ever done such a thing in my life. The greater its significance, considering the fact that I had grown up in an irreligious atmosphere and had studied and dismissed various philosophies and ideas.



Again she writes "I accepted Islam the same instance, the only religion appealing to common sense and free from any sort of polytheistic traces. Islamic laws cover all aspects of human life and are in perfect harmony with science and nature.



Then she writes "Islam has a most complete code for binding the international community into a cohesive unit. It is far removed from any superstitious trends and has given birth to an entirely distinct art, culture, philosophy, industry and…. Etc., elevating human values to heights never attained before. To sum it all, Islam with its profound belief in Allah, maintains a perfect equilibrium between both the spiritual and the material worlds." R1



Donald Requil, U.S.A., writes " The simplicity of Prophet Muhammad's (s.a.w.) life coupled with the rationality of Islam made me change my belief. It is the only religion free of any absurdities and preposterous ideas. Once you realize the rationality of Islam, you become a true believer.

http://www.islamicwisdom.net/Rising%20of%20a%20True%20Religion


RE: Rising of a True Religion: Islam - 96_impala_ss - 04-14-2010 12:59 AM

With all these religions out there these days, how do you know which one is the real one? How do you know you are praying to the real Supreme Being?


RE: Rising of a True Religion: Islam - francisco - 04-14-2010 05:04 AM

(04-14-2010 12:59 AM)96_impala_ss Wrote:  How do you know you are praying to the real Supreme Being?

because a nonexistant one.....doesnt exist..
so if you're praying to God you must believe she exists
all you have to do is pray and believe you're praying to the one and only Supreme Being.
its my personal belief that all adherents to monotheistic religions are praying to God. Muslims pray to God as Buddhist meditate for their Deity, they're all worshiping the same divine entity only in different ways.


RE: Rising of a True Religion: Islam - Gezus - 04-14-2010 05:09 AM

(04-14-2010 05:04 AM)francisco Wrote:  so if you're praying to God you must believe she exists

well to be fair god might be a man. you might be right though. but who knows, god might end up being neither man nor women. that is if he/she/it exists....


RE: Rising of a True Religion: Islam - 96_impala_ss - 04-14-2010 05:36 AM

(04-14-2010 05:04 AM)francisco Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 12:59 AM)96_impala_ss Wrote:  How do you know you are praying to the real Supreme Being?

because a nonexistant one.....doesnt exist..
so if you're praying to God you must believe she exists
all you have to do is pray and believe you're praying to the one and only Supreme Being.
its my personal belief that all adherents to monotheistic religions are praying to God. Muslims pray to God as Buddhist meditate for their Deity, they're all worshiping the same divine entity only in different ways.

So when someone tells you that a certain religion is the "right one" how do you know it is truly so? Every religion was made by a man. Every religion has its sacred texts written, printed and distributed by a man. So how do you know if all these personal names we know of for each religion is either the same supreme being or one of them is the righteous one?


RE: Rising of a True Religion: Islam - onesixtyfive - 04-14-2010 06:35 AM

God is not a religion, but a spiritual bond


RE: Rising of a True Religion: Islam - 96_impala_ss - 04-14-2010 07:06 AM

(04-14-2010 06:35 AM)onesixtyfive Wrote:  God is not a religion, but a spiritual bond

I know that. What I'm trying to get at is when someone comes up to me and says "You should become a Muslim", why should I? How do I know that is the honest way to find the Superior being? I right now am a Christian. I Believe in the Lord and in our savior Jesus Christ, and I feel I have a very good spiritual bond with Him. Now (and not to bag on Islam) when a Muslim comes up to me and tells me that Islam is the right faith, the right bond I am looking for and shows me examples like the unity that religion has built and such, how do I know I will feel a better bond with Islam then with Christianity? Because the way I see it, all religions praise the man that created them. A lot of religions do things that have been said in the Holy Scriptures (Torah, Bible, Koran) that offend God. So how can you know the bond is a righteous one?


RE: Rising of a True Religion: Islam - Gezus - 04-14-2010 07:13 AM

(04-14-2010 05:36 AM)96_impala_ss Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 05:04 AM)francisco Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 12:59 AM)96_impala_ss Wrote:  How do you know you are praying to the real Supreme Being?

because a nonexistant one.....doesnt exist..
so if you're praying to God you must believe she exists
all you have to do is pray and believe you're praying to the one and only Supreme Being.
its my personal belief that all adherents to monotheistic religions are praying to God. Muslims pray to God as Buddhist meditate for their Deity, they're all worshiping the same divine entity only in different ways.

So when someone tells you that a certain religion is the "right one" how do you know it is truly so? Every religion was made by a man. Every religion has its sacred texts written, printed and distributed by a man. So how do you know if all these personal names we know of for each religion is either the same supreme being or one of them is the righteous one?

^ [Image: Word-of-God.jpg]

Smiley-grin


RE: Rising of a True Religion: Islam - ClichéGuevara - 04-14-2010 08:52 AM

(04-14-2010 07:06 AM)96_impala_ss Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 06:35 AM)onesixtyfive Wrote:  God is not a religion, but a spiritual bond

I know that. What I'm trying to get at is when someone comes up to me and says "You should become a Muslim", why should I? How do I know that is the honest way to find the Superior being? I right now am a Christian. I Believe in the Lord and in our savior Jesus Christ, and I feel I have a very good spiritual bond with Him. Now (and not to bag on Islam) when a Muslim comes up to me and tells me that Islam is the right faith, the right bond I am looking for and shows me examples like the unity that religion has built and such, how do I know I will feel a better bond with Islam then with Christianity? Because the way I see it, all religions praise the man that created them. A lot of religions do things that have been said in the Holy Scriptures (Torah, Bible, Koran) that offend God. So how can you know the bond is a righteous one?

The way I see it Christianity and Islam worship the same God, the only difference is the "teacher". If you look at both religions, in fact if you look at all religions including Buddhism, they are all the same fundamentally. It's all about peace, love and unity.

Tell me if you can find any difference in the basic meaning between "Love thy neighbor as thyself" Matthew 5:43 and “Feed the hungry and visit a sick person, and free the captive, if he be unjustly confined. Assist any person oppressed, whether Muslim or non-Muslim.”


RE: Rising of a True Religion: Islam - Judahideen - 04-14-2010 09:43 AM

(04-14-2010 08:52 AM)Sean Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 07:06 AM)96_impala_ss Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 06:35 AM)onesixtyfive Wrote:  God is not a religion, but a spiritual bond

I know that. What I'm trying to get at is when someone comes up to me and says "You should become a Muslim", why should I? How do I know that is the honest way to find the Superior being? I right now am a Christian. I Believe in the Lord and in our savior Jesus Christ, and I feel I have a very good spiritual bond with Him. Now (and not to bag on Islam) when a Muslim comes up to me and tells me that Islam is the right faith, the right bond I am looking for and shows me examples like the unity that religion has built and such, how do I know I will feel a better bond with Islam then with Christianity? Because the way I see it, all religions praise the man that created them. A lot of religions do things that have been said in the Holy Scriptures (Torah, Bible, Koran) that offend God. So how can you know the bond is a righteous one?

The way I see it Christianity and Islam worship the same God, the only difference is the "teacher". If you look at both religions, in fact if you look at all religions including Buddhism, they are all the same fundamentally. It's all about peace, love and unity.

Tell me if you can find any difference in the basic meaning between "Love thy neighbor as thyself" Matthew 5:43 and “Feed the hungry and visit a sick person, and free the captive, if he be unjustly confined. Assist any person oppressed, whether Muslim or non-Muslim.”

christianity worships an intervening trinity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
islam worships a unified abstracted god
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

these are very different with very different moral implications


RE: Rising of a True Religion: Islam - LoGic - 04-15-2010 02:12 AM

I have my own spiritual beliefs. but i have trouble following any religion strictly. theyre all man made. And anything man touches is corrupted.

I find it a joke how so many christians take the bible to be the solid word of god. When realistically it is a bunch of parts from different books written by different people. And no doubt has been edited and rewritten and retranslated over the years.

The Vatican is a complete joke and has been for its entire existence. No explanation needed.

I dont know enough about Islam to give proper feedback and criticism. but i do know it is similar to christianity. And probably judaism.

Many organized religions just seem like fantastic ways for attempting to control the masses/keep people under control. Idk if any of you have read The Republic by Plato. but if you examine the sections on religion its interesting. He takes the greek gods/religious beliefs of the time, and points out its flaws and gives alternatives for how religion should be. In order to teach people better morals and better serve a proper society. The religion he constructs/describes bears a striking resemblance to christianity/others... ect


RE: Rising of a True Religion: Islam - francisco - 04-15-2010 02:58 AM

(04-14-2010 07:06 AM)96_impala_ss Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 06:35 AM)onesixtyfive Wrote:  God is not a religion, but a spiritual bond

I know that. What I'm trying to get at is when someone comes up to me and says "You should become a Muslim", why should I? How do I know that is the honest way to find the Superior being? I right now am a Christian. I Believe in the Lord and in our savior Jesus Christ, and I feel I have a very good spiritual bond with Him. Now (and not to bag on Islam) when a Muslim comes up to me and tells me that Islam is the right faith, the right bond I am looking for and shows me examples like the unity that religion has built and such, how do I know I will feel a better bond with Islam then with Christianity? Because the way I see it, all religions praise the man that created them. A lot of religions do things that have been said in the Holy Scriptures (Torah, Bible, Koran) that offend God. So how can you know the bond is a righteous one?

Muslims have very different 'proselytizing' practices, in fact you could even say that they dont practice proselytizing at least from my experiences and from what i know about islam. So its strange that you would go on about muslims coming up to you and somehow getting you to take up islam.
Quote: How do I know that is the honest way to find the Superior being?
you answer your own question:
Quote:I feel I have a very good spiritual bond with Him
-this is the essence. whatever religion you are, what matters at the end of the day is exactly what you said - a spiritual bond. this why personally, i have so much appreciation and respect for indigenous religions and any pious individual. its also the reason why i despise many white christians-they are the furthest from religious or spiritual people. just secular fiends.
Quote:how do I know I will feel a better bond with Islam then with Christianity?
chances are you wont...but not because one or the other is flawed but more that you or me or someone else are cultural flawed and in a sense incompatible with another religious tradition.
(04-14-2010 08:52 AM)Sean Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 07:06 AM)96_impala_ss Wrote:  
(04-14-2010 06:35 AM)onesixtyfive Wrote:  God is not a religion, but a spiritual bond

I know that. What I'm trying to get at is when someone comes up to me and says "You should become a Muslim", why should I? How do I know that is the honest way to find the Superior being? I right now am a Christian. I Believe in the Lord and in our savior Jesus Christ, and I feel I have a very good spiritual bond with Him. Now (and not to bag on Islam) when a Muslim comes up to me and tells me that Islam is the right faith, the right bond I am looking for and shows me examples like the unity that religion has built and such, how do I know I will feel a better bond with Islam then with Christianity? Because the way I see it, all religions praise the man that created them. A lot of religions do things that have been said in the Holy Scriptures (Torah, Bible, Koran) that offend God. So how can you know the bond is a righteous one?

The way I see it Christianity and Islam worship the same God, the only difference is the "teacher". If you look at both religions, in fact if you look at all religions including Buddhism, they are all the same fundamentally. It's all about peace, love and unity.

Tell me if you can find any difference in the basic meaning between "Love thy neighbor as thyself" Matthew 5:43 and “Feed the hungry and visit a sick person, and free the captive, if he be unjustly confined. Assist any person oppressed, whether Muslim or non-Muslim.”
is the last one from qur'an ..? which surah..verse..?

(04-15-2010 02:12 AM)LoGic Wrote:  I have my own spiritual beliefs. but i have trouble following any religion strictly. theyre all man made. And anything man touches is corrupted.

I find it a joke how so many christians take the bible to be the solid word of god. When realistically it is a bunch of parts from different books written by different people. And no doubt has been edited and rewritten and retranslated over the years.

The Vatican is a complete joke and has been for its entire existence. No explanation needed.

I dont know enough about Islam to give proper feedback and criticism. but i do know it is similar to christianity. And probably judaism.

Many organized religions just seem like fantastic ways for attempting to control the masses/keep people under control. Idk if any of you have read The Republic by Plato. but if you examine the sections on religion its interesting. He takes the greek gods/religious beliefs of the time, and points out its flaws and gives alternatives for how religion should be. In order to teach people better morals and better serve a proper society. The religion he constructs/describes bears a striking resemblance to christianity/others... ect
this stance is pretty played out.

think about this:
cornell west
michael eric dyson
john brown
nat turner
christopher hedges
bishop romero
Jeremiah wright
minister Farrakhan
(just off the top of my head)
all individuals who are religious and declared that they are heavily influenced by their respective religion.
are they 'controled' or 'under control'
No. They are or were completely anti status quo.

unintentionally paraphrasing marx when it comes to religion is whack. especially when you dont even know what marx was specifically talking about when he said " It is the opium of the people"