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RE: Guns For All?? Gun 'Regulation'?? What Do You Say? - NWOkiller - 09-17-2011 09:45 PM
(09-17-2011 09:35 PM)Younes Wrote:(09-17-2011 09:33 PM)NWOkiller Wrote: What about the people's right to defend themselves?
Having a gun just like the dude that tries to get ur vallet doesn't equal selfdefence, looks more like 100% chance of some one getting shot and maybe killed..
People are going to get shot no matter if we have gun regulation or not. My point is I don't want only criminals to have guns and even more than that government. As along as government can have guns or weapons then the people NEED guns.
RE: Guns For All?? Gun 'Regulation'?? What Do You Say? - Younes - 09-17-2011 09:46 PM
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Look at USA, government got guns, people got guns... what is the result?
RE: Guns For All?? Gun 'Regulation'?? What Do You Say? - Asshole - 09-17-2011 09:50 PM
(09-17-2011 09:42 PM)Younes Wrote: ^
Yemen isn't peaceful, Yemen have more gats than any place in the middle east except Lebanon and Iraq, and if you know, there is a civil war like situation with tribes getting at each other, Al-Qaeda militias from the south taking over two major cities...
Saudi Arabia is because its still not set for a revolution, the ones conducting the protests are mostly Shias from the southwestern part of the country, they are a minority...
i didn't mean that. the governments have superior weaponry, imagine what would happen with an entirely disarmed proletariat?
RE: Guns For All?? Gun 'Regulation'?? What Do You Say? - Younes - 09-17-2011 09:52 PM
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Egypt for example?
and the October Revolution, was like 30.000 armed guys vs 2000 guys that all deserted...
RE: Guns For All?? Gun 'Regulation'?? What Do You Say? - Asshole - 09-17-2011 09:56 PM
the october revolution was fast, decisive, and an example of superior firepower
egypt's military is still in power and it still is under the stranglehold of western imperialism. their reblockade of gaza is demonstration enough.
RE: Guns For All?? Gun 'Regulation'?? What Do You Say? - NWOkiller - 09-17-2011 09:56 PM
(09-17-2011 09:46 PM)Younes Wrote: ^
Look at USA, government got guns, people got guns... what is the result?
In my opinion the only thing that keeps the US from total slavery is the fact that the people have guns. If the government didn't have guns and the people did, the government would listen to the people a lot more.
RE: Guns For All?? Gun 'Regulation'?? What Do You Say? - Younes - 09-17-2011 09:57 PM
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@Laz
Which Egyptians or Tunesians ofc have acces to... ?
the monopoly on firearms is different now, the government keeps the best shit and could easely pwn the fuck out of footsoldiers with stormrifles...
@NWOkiller
How is US not in total slavery right now?
RE: Guns For All?? Gun 'Regulation'?? What Do You Say? - TheMythOfSisyphus - 09-17-2011 10:00 PM
Unfortunately Shakur I don't have that answer. The way I see it is this, I am against nuclear bombs, actually for arguments sake lets just say bombs (i'm against bombs of all kinds). And the reason I am against these bombs is because I think their purpose (e.g. killing) is wrong. Then I look at guns, same purpose, just on a smaller scale. Why would I be against the bomb but for the gun? It is the same thing used for the same exact purpose, the only difference being the scale of the action that is committed with a single bomb/gun. Also, this talk of having armed revolutions is a little fishy to me. I believe it was in one of Shakur's posts where I remember Chomsky saying something along the lines of if a society is born from a violent revolution, then that violence is then naturally integrated as part of the society, it is reflected in its culture, in its policies, etc. I believe that Chomsky (it might not have even been Chomsky that said it but I don't remember :3) is right on this one, a revolution born out of armed resistance is not an ideal revolution, or a revolution I want for that matter. What we NEED is a revolution born from love, love for the people, love for everyone and everything. I don't think we should just settle for the next best thing when the results will just end up coming back to the way things are now.
RE: Guns For All?? Gun 'Regulation'?? What Do You Say? - Asshole - 09-17-2011 10:01 PM
well i can walk across the street without permission, i can attend marxist meetings
what would you rather have us do?
RE: Guns For All?? Gun 'Regulation'?? What Do You Say? - Younes - 09-17-2011 10:03 PM
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Knowledge about the reason for why u should revolt against the corrupt government is what u should help people obtain...
RE: Guns For All?? Gun 'Regulation'?? What Do You Say? - NWOkiller - 09-17-2011 10:05 PM
@Youness- lol that is a really good point. I'd say the difference is, here we still have some freedom left. We are not being put into concentration camps yet. At the start of the Iraq war, i'm sure the government would of loved to lock up anyone who was against it and call them traitors. I think the right to bear arms is a deterrent in that. I bet in nazi germany many jewish people wish they was armed and was able to at least put up some resistance.
RE: Guns For All?? Gun 'Regulation'?? What Do You Say? - Younes - 09-17-2011 10:08 PM
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They where at times, the escape from Sobibor and the revolt in the Warswava ghetto... though I dont think it was an issue of being armed or not, but more they where caught sleeping, nobody would have expected that shit...
and I think the best way to keep some one a slave with out him knowing it, is giving him the notion that there is freedom, thats why people like us with opposite opinions and such are allowed to wander around, so people get the notion that people have rights to say what ever and we are not slaves...