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**Asshole** · 09-04-2011, 12:15 AM

discuss

**The Vegan Marxist** · 09-04-2011, 12:23 AM

Yeah, the same Jeff Miron who jumped at the opportunity in appearing in the Alex Jones show. lol

**Asshole** · 09-04-2011, 12:26 AM

i'd appear on his show if given the chance. i'd appear at any widely viewed media event. why do you think lupe went on the o reilly report?

come on vegan, don't pull a bailey, attack his CONTENT

**The Vegan Marxist** · 09-04-2011, 12:30 AM

(09-04-2011 12:26 AM)Lazarus Amaru Zion Wrote: i'd appear on his show if given the chance. i'd appear at any widely viewed media event. why do you think lupe went on the o reilly report?

come on vegan, don't pull a bailey, attack his CONTENT

I don't need to attack it. His content has been shown to be bullshit for years. BP was a result of deregulation, Japan's nuclear plants' disruptions were a result of deregulation. The drug war is a result of deregulation of drugs. I'm surprised this prick didn't get an education with the Mises Institute.

**Asshole** · 09-04-2011, 12:39 AM

can't we just have someone do that for me? so rarely do we try to take milton friedman's statements and debunk them one by one. i was hoping someone like you would because i'm frankly not economically literate enough

**Djoser** · 09-04-2011, 01:22 AM

Vegan's right, we don't have to really. Looking at the news or looking at our daily conversations on this forum, he's already been debunked. His rhetoric isn't even new. it's the same bullshit pro-capitalists spew whenever they can.

Capitalism is a business and a competition. The business is competition(redundant to say?) Since it's a competition, you can't settle for being in the middle. You always have to do better. You always have to gain higher profit to stay afloat. If you plan on reaching the top, you have to be a businessmen. You have to know business. Immortal Technique is a businessmen since he has to know how the industry works to control his company and generate enough revenue to keep his artists and his record label since he's the president. Aside from that, the competition of these businesses don't benefit us. The business of fast food ruins our health. The business of medicine helps yet worsens our health. Even if a store such as Wal-Mart does have low prices that can benefit us, their empire-like expansion kills local businesses for communities, which creates more consumers and eliminates self-income for people who do want to open up their own retail store or even their own barbershop.

The regulations passed, in fact, help protect the consumers, but all of the deregulations have been fucking us over in an extensive toe touch.

Capitalism is like a pyramid. It becomes more narrow the higher you go, so the wealth distribution and income are inevitably unfair. If the distribution wasn't unfair, then poverty wouldn't be so bad in America or anywhere else for that matter. People working in labor wouldn't be in such physical risks and would have better, much better wages and more rights. But, especially seen recently, workers rights have and are being taken away.

The last myth is total bullshit. The lack of govt. interference was why the collapse happened.

Laz, you really don't need to be an economist know this video is bullshit.

**Asshole** · 09-04-2011, 03:16 AM

i know it was, i just wanted us to analyze it from their point. some diversity. altho that like evaluating russia from sarah palin's perspective

**Djoser** · 09-04-2011, 04:26 AM

I can say with confidence that even they know they're lying and it's more so that they don't care. As long as they get money and gain more power, it's fine.

**Asshole** · 09-04-2011, 04:28 AM

really? milton friedman is some sort of conspirator?

**Fuzzly Bear** · 09-04-2011, 08:06 AM

so big business isn't held up by gvt?

**shakur420** · 09-04-2011, 03:23 PM

The biggest way to debunk Friedman is to point out that the richest people on the planet, the presidents and countries he's advised, don't believe in his bullshit. They love regulation, they want strong government and lots of rules. They just don't want regulation to curb their abilities to stack loot, their access to materials and resources. No sane politician on the planet would do away with import/export taxes, labor regulation, immigration policy, etc. Not even Friedman. Just remind people when they talk about "free markets" that all of that shit is regulation and anti-capitalist. Who would agree to that? Who would agree to no subsidies for corporations, no monopoly laws, no tax incentives to promote investment? Who? People in the real world, the rich people, know exactly how they benefit from regulation and simply want to get rid of things that cut into their profits.

This is how you debunk Friedman. Like I said, nobody believes in that shit.
http://www.chomsky.info/talks/19960413.htm