Whats really in vacines?

[Younes]

Gezuz is Right on this one, the vaccines usualy contain either a very small and harmless portion of the sickness you dont wanna catch or trackers from them that can are harmless and can be identified by your immunsystem, like that your immunsystem can learn to fight back the virus with out the virus being strong enough to cause any damage

[Dumbat]

(07-03-2010 09:12 PM)kcoll Wrote:  all vaccines contain mercury its used as a preservative. and all mercury is toxic in any form, a reason sighted why pregnant women dont get mercury fillings.
it all about exposure to mercury. children now get far more vaccines than needed. sometimes multable vacines at a time.

If you want to blindly disagree with my points without any actual knowledge fine, I answered that question already (page 2). Also you said yourself "every child gets it" - if so why isn't there an autism epidemic?
2 last points:

1.) While you can say it is causing some problems, it is definitely saving millions of lives. Look at Polio or Smallpox. To say "Oh but it is hurting some children" is nonsensical.

2.)Your also ignoring indirect help from vaccines. People with compromised immune systems, particularly those recovering from operations, only have one guaranteed defence against infection - not bumping into someone carrying it. By not having the vaccine you will kill or disable these people for life just by walking near them.
Example - After people starting getting scared about MMR vaccines the number of people after operations dying or getting nerve damage from Measles rose dramatically.

Vaccines aren't a toy, but neither is any medicine. There are risks but they are massively outweighed by the benefits. By even perpetuating this media spun bullshit you're making it clear you don't know anything about the subject and are continuing a "controversy" that costs lives.

[Crookshank]

RFID chips are REAL things that are being used today. Many politicians, especially in foreign countries from what I understand, have them implanted inside their hands. They also use these chips for animals, so your dog runs away, you find it.

The question is, are they going to start saying, "well if your child is kidnapped, you we can help you find him!" which is so wonderful and appealing, especially to PARENTS. And all laws start out as good things.... an agreement by society to give up certain rights in order to protect other rights and the rights of others. But you have to ask when do we draw the line? I mean we have to have SOME privacy, otherwise we're no different than communists, which a lot of Americans claim to despise, yet know nothing about..... Either way, RFID chips are real.

[Dumbat]

(07-09-2010 08:22 AM)Crookshank Wrote:  RFID chips are REAL things that are being used today. Many politicians, especially in foreign countries from what I understand, have them implanted inside their hands. They also use these chips for animals, so your dog runs away, you find it.

The question is, are they going to start saying, "well if your child is kidnapped, you we can help you find him!" which is so wonderful and appealing, especially to PARENTS. And all laws start out as good things.... an agreement by society to give up certain rights in order to protect other rights and the rights of others. But you have to ask when do we draw the line? I mean we have to have SOME privacy, otherwise we're no different than communists, which a lot of Americans claim to despise, yet know nothing about..... Either way, RFID chips are real.

Fears of being chipped are real, but to use that as an anti-vaccine argument is paranoia and is almost baseless. Feel free to open another thread if you want to discuss RFID though.

[Gezus]

^ there is no such thing as paranoia.. only awareness.

[kcoll]

Children who develop autism may do so because they have problems processing the toxic metal mercury, researchers have suggested.
US researchers looked at mercury levels in the baby hair of children who later developed autism, a developmental disability that affects how a person communicates and interacts with other people.

They were found to have far lower levels of mercury than children who did not have the condition, according to New Scientist magazine.

The researchers say this could be because autistic children's bodies cannot make use of metals such as mercury properly, or because they have trouble excreting the metal from their body.


The findings of this study are intriguing

National Autism Society spokeswoman
Mercury is suspected by some to be a cause of autism.
A group of parents in the US and Canada are suing health authorities because they believe thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative used in vaccines, could have caused their children's autism.

The MMR vaccine, which some parents fear is linked to autism, does not contain thimerosal.

Baby hair

Experts are divided over whether there could be a link.

Some say more studies need to be carried out before a link between mercury and autism can be confirmed.

But others, such as Louisiana-based Dr Amy Holmes, who carried out this latest research, believe there is a causal link.

Dr Holmes obtained baby hair cuttings taken which had been taken when children were around 18 months old.

She analysed mercury levels in cuttings from 94 autistic children and 45 other children

The average level of mercury in baby hair of children later diagnosed as autistic was 0.47 parts per million, compared to 3.63 per million in the other children.

The more severe the children's autism, the lower the mercury levels found.

Deficiencies

Most of the mercury came from the children's mothers in the form of fillings, injections containing the thimerosal, or through eating a lot of fish.

In the group of non-autistic children, mercury levels rose in line with their mother's exposure.

But levels in the baby hair of the autistic children were low even when their mother's exposure was high.

The researchers say one explanation could be that autistic children's bodies are unable to make use of metals properly, so they could also be deficient in metals which are needed for brain development such as zinc, iron and copper.

Alternatively, they suggest some children might have problems excreting mercury.

Most of the metal is excreted through urine and faeces.

However the researchers suggest that the lack of mercury in the children's hair could be due to the metal being retained in cells, rather than getting into the blood.

'Logical leap'

Some experts say the link is plausible.

Professor Simon Baron Cohen of Cambridge University, said: "This kind of gene-environment interaction is not incompatible with the known heritability [genetic factors] of autism.

"If these results hold up, metal studies on the brain could be revealing."

But Dr Emmanuel Dicicco-Bloom, a child neurologist at the Robert Wood Johnson Medical School in New York warn more evidence is needed before a link between mercury processing and autism can be confirmed.

He told New Scientist it was a big logical leap, not justified by the evidence.

A spokeswoman for the UK's National Autistic Society told BBC News Online: "The findings of this study are intriguing and we would encourage further investigation into what factors might be causing this complex disorder."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3000884.stm

stand corected on msr not containing mercuary.
vacinations save lifes, no doubt . it the level of exposure to mercury that in question and why its needed at all.

[Dumbat]

Further research is needed without doubt, to say there is no evidence or that no care is needed would be a lie, but the benefits still far outweigh the risks.

An interesting site of quotes is this one. Although you need to be keep it in context.

One big problem is that they get hijacked by politicians, as things often do, here is an example of such a story:

Quote:The Department of Defense continued its controversial mandatory anthrax vaccinations program despite high ranking Bush administration officials acknowledging there were problems with the vaccine within months of the Bush administration taking office—well before the 9/11 attacks and the October 2001 anthrax letters.

A 2001 memorandum from former White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove to then-Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz indicates that the White House knew of problems relating to the Gulf War Syndrome and the military's controversial anthrax vaccine.

Source

It's good to question, but over-reacting in these situations can be fatal.

[Fuzzly Bear]

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[Crookshank]

Ha I wasn't really using that as an anti-vaccine argument, just saying..... RFID chips are very real and I believe them to be something we as Americans need to be concerned about in the near future.

[kcoll]

to be honest vaccines are the least of my worries . it just the acumulation of all the toxins/chemicals we put in our bodys, through injections , our food our air ect. over a life time it cant be good.

[Killuminati]

In the case of Theymerosal containing vaccines, we should first recognize the lack of research and attention towards this issue, so it's going to be nearly impossible to prove that mercury-containing vaccines are the sole purpose for autism in children. There's plenty of MD's that argue that there isn't enough research on this issue, but there is enough evidence out there to support the idea that mercury is responsible for autism. For example, there have been cases where vaccines have been blamed for causing autism in children.

Considering how many 'shots' children have as their immune systems are in the developmental stages when they are infants, it should not surprise anyone that children develop these types of symptoms. We're feeding them chemical cocktails. Sometimes up to 7 vaccines per visit to the doctor's office. I mean, are we fucking serious here?

[Gezus]

yea what happened to the old days where the doctor just gave us a slap on the bottom and let us on our way to grow strong immune systems and shit on our own...