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**YaelTheGreat** · 11-19-2012, 02:51 AM

(11-18-2012 06:51 PM)C.K. Wrote: If my future wife tells me that she was pregnant but decided to get an abortion w/out even talking to me, she will be a future ex-wife. Yall can say that the dude shouldn't have any say in it but I question if any of yall have been in a relationship that's ever gotten to the point of discussing having children. I used to feel the same way, but now that I'm about to get married, my opinion has shifted a little bit.

If your relationship would theoretically be that shitty that she wouldn't feel comfortable raising a child with you, wouldn't you drop the bitch anyway? The dude shouldn't have a say in the end result. If you're in a good relationship I am sure she'd discuss it with you regardless.

**TheMythOfSisyphus** · 11-19-2012, 05:36 AM

So what if me and my wife/gf/whatever were in a bad or struggling relationship? That somehow makes it acceptable for my rights as a father to be completely snubbed and ignored and if the woman decided for whatever reason to abort the baby I wouldn't have a right to a say in the matter? I don't see what the status of a relationship has to do with letting a child live or die. I mean, theoretically, if i'm in a position to get ANYONE pregnant wouldn't that mean the relationship is pretty successful? You are also kind of ignoring the fact that people are people. Its not really all that simple as "if you deserve to know you will know". Unless you have lived in a bubble all your life, you would understand that people are sometimes complicated. Maybe she feels ashamed or embarassed or something and has no bearing on the status of her relationship. Maybe its a personal issue that might be able to be resolved through talking with her partner. I haven't really heard a good argument against why men should have 0 rights to their children besides a couple of "maybes" and "trust me".

**Asshole** · 11-19-2012, 07:03 AM

not your baby, not a baby, put your phallus away and calm down.

**TheMythOfSisyphus** · 11-19-2012, 08:18 AM

Whatever label you want to throw on it, i'm not concerned with semantics. Whatever you want to call it it doesn't take away from the point.

**YaelTheGreat** · (This post was last modified: 11-19-2012 01:03 PM by YaelTheGreat.)

Quote: if i'm in a position to get ANYONE pregnant wouldn't that mean the relationship is pretty successful?

Contrary to popular belief, pregnancy does not only occur when happily married in the eyes of the lord. It can happen when raped, in a drunken funk, or through forgotten birth control.

Anywho, the reason you have no final say is because you have no physical burden in the matter. You don't have to stop your life for 9 months; you don't have to go through the emotional roller coaster during that time combined with the physical aspect; you don't have to have a a bundle of meat ripped from your small vagina; and you can leave if you're a cunt. So no, you have no say in a life changing decision, long term decision. If you want a baby that much and she's not willing to give you one, adopt. You can twist it anyway you want, but you have very little hanging on the line during a women's pregnancy; its not your body, not your growth, not your decision.

**Asshole** · 11-19-2012, 02:51 PM

(11-19-2012 08:18 AM)TheMythOfSisyphus Wrote: Whatever label you want to throw on it, i'm not concerned with semantics. Whatever you want to call it it doesn't take away from the point.

yes it does.

**C.K.** · 11-19-2012, 02:58 PM

I didn't mean to come across as if I should have the final say in the end result. But I should certainly have some say, especially if we're in a healthy, positive relationship. My opinion shouldn't be disregarded b/c I don't have to carry the lil dude in my gut, personally. But in the end, it's her decision to make regarding her own body, hopefully considering my opinion in the process.

**shakur420** · 11-19-2012, 03:42 PM

Don't be a bitch, Myth. C.K. I feel you, and if these motherfuckers actually read what I wrote, I said something similar. I got an opinion on the matter if it's my kid, I should be able to voice that opinion and it holds weight. Just not that much weight. Not much at all. At the end of the day, it's up to her cause it's growing inside her. But it doesn't mean that these I'm-gonna-adopt-feminist-ideals-cause-it'll-earn-me-points-with-the-ladies kids are right. It's not like the dude has no say. He should have a lot of say. That say just doesn't hold much weight.

**YaelTheGreat** · 11-19-2012, 05:12 PM

You have your say in the election as well, doesn't mean it has any value. It's not a kid until it comes out of the vagina, till then its just another growth, and that's reality.

**Rick Ross 187** · 11-19-2012, 05:55 PM

(11-19-2012 02:58 PM)C.K. Wrote: I didn't mean to come across as if I should have the final say in the end result. But I should certainly have some say, especially if we're in a healthy, positive relationship. My opinion shouldn't be disregarded b/c I don't have to carry the lil dude in my gut, personally. But in the end, it's her decision to make regarding her own body, hopefully considering my opinion in the process.

You are welcome for some say insofar as in a relationship you can have some say on any major decisions, but ultimately she is an autonomous individidual and the choice is entirely hers