The Attributes of God.

[High Nigga Pie]

You do not want me to question your intelligence, yet you refuse to showcase it. You seem to see religion as it was during the time of the inquisition; fortunately this is no onger the case. Religious beliefs have made major structural and ideological changes to keep up with the times and, I believe, will eventually die off with more scientific discoveries and independent thought. You seem to think religion is stupid and useless, yet you have posted many, many times in threads that are concerning religion, why? If you have no intention of having a discussion, why even post?

[TheMythOfSisyphus]

Endo seems to be getting pretty defensive. My favorite part is how Yael hasn't said anything about him being religious at all but Endo just throws shit out of his ass like "condoning behavior" when he hasn't said anything along those lines in his post.

[EndoFury]

(11-03-2011 01:25 AM)YaelTheGreat Wrote:  You do not want me to question your intelligence, yet you refuse to showcase it. You seem to see religion as it was during the time of the inquisition; fortunately this is no onger the case. Religious beliefs have made major structural and ideological changes to keep up with the times and, I believe, will eventually die off with more scientific discoveries and independent thought. You seem to think religion is stupid and useless, yet you have posted many, many times in threads that are concerning religion, why? If you have no intention of having a discussion, why even post?

I pity your ignorance. Apostates are murdered in the present. You are dead wrong about the extent of which religions are currently modernized. I'm supposed to be impressed that moderates cherry pick the good parts of their holy books today and ignore more of the bad (but not the stupid and impossible)? Let me just turn what you said around on you. You don't think religion is stupid and useless? Why? What is to be gained from mapping mythology onto reality that can't be achieved another way?

You accuse me of not intending to discuss, but I'm discussing. You just want me to give God a chance and I say fuck that. Kill it already. I don't care if religious faith contributed to getting us to where we are today through the past, it's time to move on. I don't condone considering obsolete and toxic ideas to be sacred today, just because they were sacred yesterday. I'm sorry you don't like it, but that's my contribution.

I'm with Dawkins when he said that religious indoctrination is child abuse. It is one of the greatest problems in our civilization.

There's nothing to like about it for me. I can't hate God because he doesn't exist, but I'm tired of people wasting human potential on a damn fantasy.

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(11-03-2011 01:29 AM)TheMythOfSisyphus Wrote:  Endo seems to be getting pretty defensive. My favorite part is how Yael hasn't said anything about him being religious at all but Endo just throws shit out of his ass like "condoning behavior" when he hasn't said anything along those lines in his post.

He clearly has made an appeal for tolerance of wishful thinking. He clearly condones prayer and belief in God. I'm defensive because he's not criticizing what I've said other than "you don't sound intelligent", "you sound uneducated" rather than arguing my points. He's attacking me, not my point.

[High Nigga Pie]

Obviously I have not, read it again and check your premise, because it is wrong. I am an atheist. I have been and will be. But that is not the point. You have choose to enter this thread in all knowing it was about religion. Do not enter if you do not feel their is a point in unbiased discussion of God. You seem to believe I am attacking you, how so? I have questioned your intelligence, yes, but I never attacked you, I asked you. But you have not answered. While I continually answer you. I do admit, that when I said that religion has become less extreme, I was not thinking about the more "uncivilized" areas of the world. Also, you say the religions cherry- picked and insinuated that I said that they did not. I never said that and never will.

[EndoFury]

Also, Yael, do you actually believe that since something like the Big Bang cannot be proven, that mythology is on equal footing? I know you want to sound smart and eloquent dude, but that's fucking nonsense. This is where I gather you condone religious faith and belief in God, and with that comes your tolerance of millions of your neighbors praying in a mass delusion.

I think we're misunderstanding each other a bit. I never meant to imply that you don't know they cherry pick. Let's not find an argument and reason to consider ourselves so different from one another that isn't even there.

[High Nigga Pie]

So I will start talking like you, nigga. You see, I be ideologizing that If none of them shits can scientifically proven, them they be is on the same plane of believability, you feel me? And I be like, one make more sense than the other, but evedencily speaking, them shits have the same amount of evidence, 0, you feel me? Aight nigga, get at me son.

[EndoFury]

(11-03-2011 01:53 AM)YaelTheGreat Wrote:  So I will start talking like you, nigga. You see, I be ideologizing that If none of them shits can scientifically proven, them they be is on the same plane of believability, you feel me? And I be like, one make more sense than the other, but evedencily speaking, them shits have the same amount of evidence, 0, you feel me? Aight nigga, get at me son.

Again, you counter with your impression of me, not of the points I made.

One makes more sense? Is that how you "feel" about it? Wishful thinking is when you go with what feels good to believe, not what's real.

I also didn't realize that colloquial language wasn't approved of by the VIP's of the IT forum. How can you tolerate his music?

What did the people that made up the major religions in the world today know about stars, billions of years, and millions of miles? The big bang theory is not on equal footing with mythology, you ignorant fool.

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You seem to think unbiased means to believe that since a theory like The Big Bang theory cannot be completely proven, we should let wishful thinking get a free pass, never mind the fact that The Big Bang Theory is based on all of the observable science we have. What empirical evidence are most religions based on? Almost none, save a few, and none of those have to do with our creation. One's an educated guess based on reality, the rest are made up to fill in gaps in understanding with no evidence at all.

[High Nigga Pie]

How did I not adress your point? You asked how I can define God and the Big bang in the same sense. And I adressed it. I said both have zero provability, therfore they are both the same until one or the other is proven. You then said that I should not sound eloquent, so I therefore sounded stupid and uneducated. I am not a fool for questioning the validity of two unproven theories of creation, you are a fool for believing one because you "feel" it sounds more scientifically accurate. The Big Bang cannot be proven as of right now so it is a theory, just like God. Also collowuial language is alright in everyday speach, but I do not add slang while I write or speak in an educated manner. I find that it is harder for me to write as I speak.

[EndoFury]

(11-03-2011 02:24 AM)YaelTheGreat Wrote:  How did I not adress your point? You asked how I can define God and the Big bang in the same sense. And I adressed it. I said both have zero provability, therfore they are both the same until one or the other is proven. You then said that I should not sound eloquent, so I therefore sounded stupid and uneducated. I am not a fool for questioning the validity of two unproven theories of creation, you are a fool for believing one because you "feel" it sounds more scientifically accurate. The Big Bang cannot be proven as of right now so it is a theory, just like God. Also collowuial language is alright in everyday speach, but I do not add slang while I write or speak in an educated manner. I find that it is harder for me to write as I speak.

Good for you. I still think you're ignorant, no matter how eloquently you think you write. Even if The Big Bang is wrong, it is not on equal footing with mythology and never will be. I don't believe it like people believe in myths with faith. I believe it is a likely and reasonable explanation. Not a fact until proven, but certainly not on the same footing as whatever the fuck people make up without evidence. A person that believes that The Big Bang makes sense isn't a fool, the person that believes an omnipotent and omniscient creator created the universe in 7 days is.

[High Nigga Pie]

The big bang has no real evidence behind it. It is a great theory, that has great potential, but it is impossible to prove. I find more comfort in the acceptance of the big bang theory than God, but none have any hard evidence on their side. You are just as ignorant in believing in an unproven theory as is a Muslim in Allah. People who agree with the big bang are just as blinded as the religious, they have no objections it, which is hilarious and hypocritical. Get off your atheist I know everything high horse, and meet us regular people down here who like to have proof in something before we believe it.

[EndoFury]

(11-03-2011 02:34 AM)YaelTheGreat Wrote:  The big bang has no real evidence behind it. It is a great theory, that has great potential, but it is impossible to prove. I find more comfort in the acceptance of the big bang theory than God, but none have any hard evidence on their side. You are just as ignorant in believing in an unproven theory as is a Muslim in Allah. People who agree with the big bang are just as blinded as the religious, they have no objections it, which is hilarious and hypocritical. Get off your atheist I know everything high horse, and meet us regular people down here who like to have proof in something before we believe it.

Really, an ancient book is equal footing with facts gathered via astronomy, chemistry, geology, and more? Dumb. You're perhaps unknowingly making an appeal for religious tolerance by playing this equal footing game. You do condone religious behavior and belief. I don't. I'm intolerant of it as you can tell.

[High Nigga Pie]

Show me the facts.