Suicide

[Djoser]

Quote:curiosity? thats fucking stupid. you must be retarded to place a bet where you lose your worldly existence for a metaphysical question. and if you think that there are people who value their life that little, you are right. but that results from larger injuries and pain. curiosity is the least of their motives. nobody sits there and slits their wrists in a tub because they are wondering about the afterlife. pascal's wager was stupid enough. even hamish has enough faith in humanity to acknowledge this i bet and someday he's going to shoot up a school. nasty little shit. <3.

Yes, curiosity. Don't underestimate people, Laz. I've had the curiosity to off myself multiple times before just to see what the afterlife. Sure life contains many unknowns for me to figure, but what's after it is interesting also. Sure, it may seem irrational, but I was young then. Even so, I've had those thoughts. Retarded? Maybe?

Quote:i think we are looking at 1st world suicides as opposed to 3rd world. we're talking psychology, 3rd world suicides can be interpreted pretty easy with a dialectical materialist analysis and a sociological perspective.

Okay, let's put this in a 1st world situation. Country: America.

All of the many children within ghettos that get killed by gang members just so the new blood can get a rep or get initiated. The girl in the 2 million dollar home that gets abused and rape by her dear father while the mother is aware and ignores it. The branching of that scenario would be she runs away from home with nowhere to go, visiting stores daily to get food. Finding whatever alley or shelter just to sleep in. I can go on and on. Next case: A young girl and her friends are offered a chance to travel to Thailand, but turns out the trip was a trap to recruit prostitutes so the girls are kidnapped and forced to sleep with men in sex trafficking. Even though they've tried to stand their ground and not give in to the men's demands, they're beaten and held down by captives until their customers are pleased, and then beaten afterward. Working everyday to pay off their debt only to find out their slaves for life. I can go on and on. 1st world or 3rd world. Shit still stands. Don't bring that bullshit my way.

Quote:my point exactly. you put into words my thoughts, thanks for articulating them. i'm by no means knowledgeable on this subject. probably more then most people but a wise man recognizes he's a fucking moron.

i only know that i know nothing and i will die at some point.

If that was the case, you wouldn't have made such claims. You don't know, but you make assumptions. If you don't know, consider the probability. Even when you can't relate, you can still contribute.

Quote:even then, they still died. then another, more happy and placated person stepped up in the body. same concept. suicide's just easier and you exercise greater control. i'll kill myself before i die of old age.

Oh really? what about the people who care for you? How cowardly. Wouldn't it be best if you let time take you instead of doing it yourself? Don't leave the people around in wonder forever asking if they could've prevented it. Don't subject them to such torment.

Quote:socrates' philosophies can't touch my hypocrisies, i exist in metaphysics, i think therefore I resist..

and i'm using the word correctly. dichotomy of egoism vs altruism.

I never said that, I'm just pointing out your oversaturating its use as well as plaguing the thread with irrelevant philosophical rantings.

[1871]

(12-17-2011 04:21 AM)NikkiC713 Wrote:  Why should someone not do it. Not to be emo, just curious?

Nikki - just first initial reaction to your question;
because there are beautiful women like yourself in the world.

[David]

Because even if we wanted too, most of us don't do it. Because the emotions you have at the time you consider suicide are just temporary.

[Chino]

hmmm, suicide eh? why?
*thinks*
well i know one thing for certain, Emo Kids dont all commit suicide. its happens to everyone one way or another. to some its like a dirty fantasy like "what if?", others feel like its an escape from their current life ( bad relationships, low self esteem etc etc)

But, i cant only tell from my own personal experience. if you'd like ,i'd share them, and it'll take a while

[1871]

[Younes]

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But to be more on topic, I can't explain why, I Don't think anybody really can, I can tell you why I wouldn't do it, but that wouldn't apply to anybody but me, because I have my reasons to live, and they are only shared by me.

A person needs his own reasoning to why he shouldn't kill himself.

(12-17-2011 12:38 PM)1871 Wrote:  Nikki - just first initial reaction to your question;
because there are beautiful women like yourself in the world.

Don't forget your married 1871

[Fuzzly Bear]

(12-17-2011 06:06 AM)Laz Wrote:  fuck anti depressants. numbing reality won't help. if you feel that killing off part of yourself is better than taking control and killing all of it, be my twisted artificial guest.

because your life isn't twisted and artificial. anti depressants didn't work on you so they can't work on anyone.

(12-17-2011 06:54 AM)Laz Wrote:  i'm going to be a vicious bastard here because i was hooked on prozac half a year ago.

hooked. yea. hooked. in what way hooked?

(12-17-2011 07:48 AM)Laz Wrote:  -the stranger by albert camus

reading a bit of camus makes you an intelligent cunt dunt it

(12-17-2011 07:48 AM)Laz Wrote:  fear and cowardice aren't immoral attributes. they are rationalizations more often than not and the smart ones pay attention to them. theres a reason that most dumb country soldiers are dumb and brave. there is nothing wrong with listening to fear as long as you don't harm any others with it. suicide in this case would be, in my humble and loving opinion, wrong because you would put your family through a lot of shit. now its not your duty to make their life better. you can get fucked up by absolute altruism and ignoring yourself. basically what happened to me with a death of ego and some self repression.

but is it rational to kill yourself? are you really a burden? or is it rooted in some hidden, repressed root of self hate. you've done a great job with that history but plenty of people are met with the same misfortune and have better mental stability. probably because they are dumb fucks. you're smarter than that. but mental stability is needed at times or we will go crazy. is it just depression? for pent up, self destructive emotions like this consider positive releases:

• poetry
• exercise
• music
• sex
• weed and psychedelics depending on the individuals, others get even more fucked up. be careful here.
• talking about it.
• social life
• studying philosophy, getting some answers.
• etc etc
  

as opposed to negative releases:

• sitting around
• watching tv
• self pity (i realize the negative conotation behind this, but there is nothing wrong with it. it happens to all of us)
• eating
• SELF INFLICTION
• etc etc
  

you need to understand what is productive and what is destructive. besides depression, what other symptoms manifest?


get away from self infliction

you obviously realise that saying 'get over it' doesn't do jack?

i hope you guys know i wasn't judging/demonizing suicide. i think its the smartest thing ever. if anything i was romanticizing it. the ugliness is oh so beautiful.
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so you fucking kill yourself if it's so sublime

(12-17-2011 04:33 AM)Laz Wrote:  suicide is the choice of cowards

shut up

(12-17-2011 05:53 AM)Laz Wrote:  i'm by no means knowledgeable on this subject.

so stfu

(12-17-2011 01:04 PM)David Wrote:  the emotions you have at the time you consider suicide are just temporary.

mm yes

(12-17-2011 05:17 AM)Rebel Assault Wrote:  its a cowardly act unless your doing it for all the right reasons.

what are the right reasons?



could give reasons why it's not cowardly, but, frankly, cba explaining it to fuckheads at 4am




has anyone actually discussed suicide with, like, a psychiatric nurse or someone similar (not as a patient)

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(12-17-2011 07:09 AM)El Mono Wrote:  You're not a burden.

Life just be a harsh mistress.


And that's exactly why I expected better from you, Laz.

[Boboulas]

Didnt roman generals used to kill themselves after a failed battle or a failed campaign? They would throw a party and relax then open their veins. Or when jappanese samurai would rather do the seppuku ritual than be captured alive, or when they commited serious crimes, avoiding shame upon their families.

[Rebel Assault]

[Chino]

(12-17-2011 06:48 PM)Boboulas Wrote:  Or when jappanese samurai would rather do the seppuku ritual than be captured alive, or when they commited serious crimes, avoiding shame upon their families.

actually the Samurai would committ seppuku if:

their lord dies (be it the daimyo or the tokugawa shogunate)

they fail the task given to them

if they have committed a crime (very rare occasions it happens)

they lost a battle (it applies to the generals i believe)

and if they disrupt the harmony of another( ???? not sure)

[Asshole]

(12-17-2011 04:38 PM)Younes Wrote:  But to be more on topic, I can't explain why, I Don't think anybody really can, I can tell you why I wouldn't do it, but that wouldn't apply to anybody but me, because I have my reasons to live, and they are only shared by me.

A person needs his own reasoning to why he shouldn't kill himself.

yeah, its all subjective. nothing i say here is absolute even though at the moment i absolutely believe it. and 1871's on more AARP then pussy these days. sex with him would be like fucking a limp piece of sandpaper.

[1871]

What is AARP?