Panorama - Syria: Inside the secret revolution

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[Crazyalaa]

Fucking disgusting. The Assad family should be annihilated and tortured like they did to their people for decades. Bashar and his father are one of the worst dictators ever.

But ignorant people who in the name of anti-imperialism defend the syrian government are disgusting bastards. Where the fuck is Chavez? isn't that cunt with the people? I didn't see him openly criticize his friend for massacring his own people for months? where's Cuba? All these people who are allies to the Syrian government and who claim to give a shit about the people. This is event proves that all politicians are nothing but political whores. The fact is, NO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THE PEOPLE. Of course, some arrogant ignorant members will come to the defense of this murderer and post articles about this and that. Half of u people didn't know Syria or their president before these 6 months.

It just disgusts me to see people defending the government and claiming they helped those factions or gave money to this resistance. A government that slaughters its people doesn't give a shit about anything.

[huey3man]

Oh my dear Alaa....

[Crazyalaa]

In this video the soldiers while beating the kid ask him "Who's your God?" and they want him to say Bashar but instead he spits on the image and get beaten more. They are many videos in which soldiers torture people and tell them to say "La illah illa bashar" when means There's no God but Bahsar.

Welcome to the Socialist democratic republic of Syria which Chavez and his allies are friends with.

If it was a western government doing this to its people you would've seen Fidel and Chavez speaking against it but cuz it's their allies they turn a blind eye.

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(09-27-2011 05:26 PM)huey3man Wrote:  Oh my dear Alaa....

Well, you can claim what you want and post articles claiming the "western imperialists propaganda" are destroying their image and that all the people in the streets are paid by the west. The fact is the syrian government is nothing but a leech sucking the life out of their own people.

[huey3man]

Now Alaa, since you seem to not knowing one single bit about the syrian situation, syrian history, the Assad's and only fell for the zionist/saudi/empire propaganda collab BUT seem to be very dedicated to the cause, are you willing to understand whats going on or are you comfortable enough in spreading propaganda and handyvideos ? Hit me up if u want to know what's really going on in Syra, but msg me on FB. I dont wanna discuss this in a thread where somebody jus posted a BBC documentary to expose Syria's brutal regime.

[Crazyalaa]

(09-27-2011 05:33 PM)huey3man Wrote:  Now Alaa, since you seem to not knowing one single bit about the syrian situation, syrian history, the Assad's----are you willing to understand whats going on or are you comfortable enough in spreading propaganda and handyvideos ?

I mean of course I am ignorant. I mean that the fact that my family lived in ARRamtha for more than 25 years doesn't help my judgement, or the fact that most of my friends are Jordanian and Syrians, or the fact the TWO of my own family members were tortured to death in Syrian prisons or the fact I grew in that region doesn't help either. So, you guys probably know better I mean YOU HAVE READ articles and of course traveled all around the middle east and met Syrians before the whole thing started and asked them how fucked up are their lives. Handyvideos? don't these videos show the crimes committed against a population. Cmon, Huey! At least recognize these crimes and massacres. At least say that the government should be toppled....and before you tell me about any Syrians you know ask yourself how are they living? do they have any businesses in Syria and all that.

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Look I think I haven't made myself clear now that I think about. We both agree that there are many lies and propaganda surrounding the events and that the west cannot wait to put their own puppet government but still even this government that isn't with the west is corrupt and oppressive too.

[Rebel Assault]

im sure NATO will come to the rescue and then comes freedom right?
chavez and cuba have nothing to do with events in syria.

[huey3man]

^ I reckon what you say

Fact is that where i live there are several families that carry bout 100 people from Syria & the Hatay region on Turkey. Before i started to read & learn about Syria i asked one of them who currently was there to ask the people there whats really going on since Assad (imo rightfully) tries to keep the media out.

Now, this guy aint political at all, i just asked him as a friend to please go and tell me what he has been told.

Thats what he told me (I wrote this to someone before, thats why its written from my perspective)

One of turkish friends in my neighborhood is currently there and their town is right near the Syrian border and some of their relatives live in Syria. He just talked to his uncles & other people who weekly visit the syrian cities & refugee camps. They told him that the turkish media is similar to ours and 'creates' those "mass demonstrations" when in fact he spent his day in the same town where their media reported that the gov. was shooting at protestors etc and there was absolutely NOTHING.

He also explained that the people flee to the refugee camps because its common knowledge that the people in those camps are being treated very very good (maybe zionist/saudi etc involvement) and so they basically attract people to come to those camps and make it look as if the living conditions in Syria are inhumane.

I told him to make sure to be on a trip with one of his uncles the next time and maybe interview some people & record it or at least take some pictures but he also said its not too easy to enter Syria right now.

So he talked to his uncle again who's good friends with some of the doctors workin in the refugee camps and the "refugees" are paid about 50$ a day if they come to those camps and once entered they can't leave the camps anymore (only if they need medical treatment and then they're going to be personally escorted). If they left the camps they'd be regarded as "illegal".

Also that in their hometown in Syria there have never been and til this day aren't any demonstrations and that they (as turkish citizens) can fully understand that Assad tries to keep the corporate media out of Syria cause letting the media fight their war wouldnt be much different than personally inviting nato.

Now after having read that i did very much research about the Assads and Syrias history, i went out talking to the people in my neighborhood that had lived there, whose anscestors lived there and whose relatives are still living there and they're in daily contact with them.

I spent a lot of time writing this article, so if u really wanna debate this read it. It has been re-posted by many independent journalists, it has even been translated, so take the time bro and i included all important other articles that exposed most of the war propaganda.

http://huey3man.wordpress.com/2011/09/05...evolution/

Now read this. Austrian right wing extremist meets with zionists and the syrian opposition. So is this the people u want to lead Syria?

http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/12336.aspx

I can go on for days, but enough for now. Just read all this and then come back with proof to what you are claiming. And such a video doesnt prove shit, it rather proves that this is worse propaganda than had been used after the 2009 elections in Iran. Why would pro-Assad killers shoot this disgraceful video and put it on the net when they know that this is just one thing more to demonize their beloved leader, as the video claims. Why is there an Assad picture? Does every soldier have such a picture in his pocket? And, as disgusting as it might be if this was really real, why didnt they give him a real beating or killed him? I mean u can torture people in prison because they cant do shit, but torture someone and set him free and he will spend his whole life to retaliate, but yet all speculations.

AND NEVER FORGET, brother Alaa, that the words you are using right now were exactly the same you used about half a year ago when u fell for the same propaganda against Gaddafi.

[Crazyalaa]

Well, we all know how NATO doesn't a fuck either about the people. My point is this: If we keep saying we don't intervention and the imperialist should stay out (which they should) but offer no solution to this problem more and more people will die. How can a population with no kind of weapons topple a government that has weapons, money and intelligence that is willing to do anything to oppress its own people.

[huey3man]

Bottom line is NEVER TRUST THE WEST until you have proof for something they are claiming, and in all honesty you must agree, that there is NO poof to anything.

But please, take the time to read and i'll be pleased to discuss this stuff with you.

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(09-27-2011 06:02 PM)Crazyalaa Wrote:  Well, we all know how NATO doesn't a fuck either about the people. My point is this: If we keep saying we don't intervention and the imperialist should stay out (which they should) but offer no solution to this problem more and more people will die. How can a population with no kind of weapons topple a government that has weapons, money and intelligence that is willing to do anything to oppress its own people.

Thats the major point. The demonstrations / protestors WERE armed from the beginning. Thats maybe the best piece of propaganda they could sell us... meaning those demonstrations were peaceful and from the bottom.

[Crazyalaa]

(09-27-2011 06:02 PM)huey3man Wrote:  AND NEVER FORGET, brother Alaa, that the words you are using right now were exactly the same you used about half a year ago when u fell for the same propaganda against Gaddafi.

And I never changed my opinion about him, a dictator and an murderer. Not that the other side is better.

See this is your problem "you spoke" to people who saw this and this but I know these people and I have seen family members mourn their lose. See the fact remains that anyone who truly knew a number of Syrians would easily tell you how oppressive the Syrian regime is. I truly don't think anyone would understand the true horrors syrians had to live through all these years if he hadn't lived in the Middle east. As you said, we can go on and on. To you all these hundreds and hundreds of videos are sort of a lie; to me they are a proof. You cannot seriously believe that all these videos are fabricated, some might be. But I hope I see the day where Gaddafi and Assad are hanged in front of the people they oppressed. I also hope to see the day where many other leaders (ones that we all agree are the worst type) hanged too.

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(09-27-2011 06:05 PM)huey3man Wrote:  Bottom line is NEVER TRUST THE WEST until you have proof for something they are claiming, and in all honesty you must agree, that there is NO poof to anything.

Never did and never will. I have trusted the testimonies of my friends and families who I think truly understand the situation.

I mean you claim the videos are not a proof of anything. Do you even understand what's being said in the video? No offense, I won't watch a video in German or any other language and say it's not a proof while I don't understand it.

[huey3man]

Most of the videos are definitely "true".

The real question is where the proof is that Assads troops are responsible for that. Where are the reports of a million people gathering in Damascus in support of their government? Where are the reports about the US funding the syrian opposition? Where are the reports that try to expose the armed gangs int he streets of Syria that kill both protestors & military/police? Ur turning a blind eye to facts becaude of your deep hatred against authoritarian leadership in the middle east. Before you question the rule of Assad and jump on the imperialists bandwagon you should call for the Saudis, the Qataris and all those other greedy snakes heads. I dont say that Syria is a model, socialist, or something i would support and love to live in. But fact is that the Assad rule improved Syria in an enormous way. If you cant acknowledge this i dont know what to tell you. These are facts that can be shown by economic/social indicators. Fact is that there are armed gangs, peaceful pro and anti assad protestors on the streets, violent pro and anti assad protestors on the streets. The fact that remains is that there are NO FACTS that justify the language u just used in the first reply to this thread, so repping a Malcolm X pic on FB you should seriously consider if u are willing to do the work that later justifies another NATO imperial adventure.