Pakistan halts Nato supplies after attack leaves soldiers dead

[33 Degrees]

hey Sowster the link in ur signature doesn't work

[Younes]

(11-28-2011 12:39 AM)Sowster Wrote:  lol you do realize that china 'vowing' to protect anyone militarily doesn't mean jack shit...Paki, china & the DPRK together couldn't take on the US alone let alone NATO...
Also, US is a MUCH better ally to have on all aspects than china. Think about it...Pakistan can get a lot more economically & militarily from the Amercans than the chinese. Honestly, I have a friend that studies in beijing and according to him china is a lot weaker than they are made out to be by western media.
What do they have on America? without American consumers, china wouldn't be anything...

Obviously you aren't aware of all the brown non english speaking people who allied themselves with USA only to get buttfucked by USA later on when they are embarrased by their disgusting behavior.

[The Vegan Marxist]

(11-28-2011 02:16 AM)Rio-Leonardo Wrote:  Besides the economical advantages for Pakistans relations with China there are also historic event why such countries dont want to listen to or deal with a white man. European influenced politicians have a very eurocentric view of the world and quite honestly the whole world is sick of it.

The European white man was the oppressor. As someone with a strong history of Irish ancestry, and damn proud of it, we also know of slavery by that of the Euro-white men, despite the fact we were white ourselves. The soil of America is filled with the blood of Native Americans, Africans, Chinese, and Scottish-Irish.

Quote:‎In 1855, Frederic Law Olmsted, the landscape architect who designed New York's Central Park, was in Alabama on a pleasure trip and saw bales of cotton being thrown from a considerable height into a cargo ship's hold. The men tossing the bales somewhat recklessly into the hold were Negroes, the men in the hold were Irish.

Olmsted inquired about this to a shipworker. "Oh," said the worker, "the niggers are worth too much to be risked here; if the Paddies are knocked overboard or get their backs broke, nobody loses anything."

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html

I may be white, but all my ancestry goes back to either Native American tribes or that of Irish men and women. I have bloodlines of the oppressed in me, and will never forget it.

[1871]

Quote:Vegan Marxist The European white man was the oppressor. As someone with a strong history of Irish ancestry, and damn proud of it, we also know of slavery by that of the Euro-white men, despite the fact we were white ourselves.

And Euros.

From the article you linked to;

Quote:The arrogant disregard for the holocaust visited upon the poor and working class Whites of Britain by the aristocracy continues in our time because the history of that epoch has been almost completely extirpated from our collective memory.

Quote:To this day, the White ruling class denigrates the White poor and patronizes Blacks.

If this seems admirable from the pathological viewpoint of Marxism or cosmopolitan liberalism, the Black and Third World "beneficiaries" of White ruling class "esteem" ought to consider what sort of "friends" they actually have.

The Bible declares that the man who does not take care of his own family is "worse than an infidel." This also applies to one's racial kindred. The man who neglects his own children to care for yours has true love for neither.

White, self-hating liberals and greed-head conservatives who claim to care for the "civil rights" of Black and Third World people, discard the working class of their own people on the garbage heap of history. When they are finished with their own they shall surely turn on others.

Those who care for their own kind first are not practicing "hate" but kindness, which is the very root of the word.

So if you believe in 'bloodlines' (is that a Marxist interpretation?) then are you saying that oppression is due to race or ethnicity?

Surely that cant be Marxist? Or is it?

Quote:"Every industrial and commercial center in England now possesses a working class divided into two hostile camps, English proletarians and Irish proletarians. The ordinary English worker hates the Irish worker as a competitor who lowers his standard of life. In relation to the Irish worker he regards himself as a member of the ruling nation and consequently he becomes a tool of the English aristocrats and capitalists against Ireland, thus strengthening their domination over himself. He cherishes religious, social, and national prejudices against the Irish worker. His attitude towards him is much the same as that of the "poor whites" to the Negroes in the former slave states of the U.S.A. The Irishman pays him back with interest in his own money. He sees in the English worker both the accomplice and the stupid tool of the English rulers in Ireland. This antagonism is artificially kept alive and intensified by the press, the pulpit, the comic papers, in short, by all the means at the disposal of the ruling classes. This antagonism is the secret of the impotence of the English working class, despite its organization. It is the secret by which the capitalist class maintains its power. And the latter is quite aware of this."

Karl Marx

[Fuzzly Bear]

Hey let's bring all my ancestry into the argument here!

What what what?

My ancestors were oppressed so that makes me better than my mate whose ancestors did all the oppressing.

Also my belief system is quite at odds with yours so therefore you are objectively wrong and quite despicable.

[The Vegan Marxist]

I don't think people really understand my position. I don't blame every European white man for what they did to my ancestors, nor do I believe the Black community or Native American community blames every white man for what they did to their ancestry. But Marxism does play a big role in the National Question. The most important national question in the U.S. is Black and Brown liberation. As for my ancestry dating back to Ireland, the national question for them is their liberation from bourgeois rule.

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(11-28-2011 12:44 PM)HamishFTW Wrote:  My ancestors were oppressed so that makes me better than my mate whose ancestors did all the oppressing.

1) Stop being an absolute fucking jackass, you prick; and

2) I've never implied, nor will I ever imply, that someone isn't a comrade of mine just because of their ancestry. That's absolutely ridiculous and does, indeed, go against my ideology.

[1871]

Vegan - if you dont blame every European white man for what they did to your ancestors then which European white man do you blame? I mean, they- the oppressors of the past - are all dead right? So do you blame their "bloodline' ie: offspring - that is if there's a belief that 'bloodlines' are themselves indicators of qualities. Like in the French Revolution where they guillotined the children of the aristocrats also?

By the way - Hamish was just making a valid point in a jocular way, and an important point too so I dont think you needed to insult him in the way you did.
(I think you could try insulting him in a more original way lol)

But Hamish is surely correct no? There's the definition 'European' and the definition 'white' - so its by geography and race? Or by by class, or because of both if there's a bloodline?
I will read those links btw.

I am just wondering if there's one type of bloodline and another?

The idea is that there is an inferior DNA and a superior DNA.

How do we then scientificallyfor example assess the difference between Sean and El Mono?

[Fuzzly Bear]

I thought that the question in Ireland was more home rule, that kind of thing, not a massively class-based thing. I've not met many Irish folks (they've all come over here!!!) talking about the bourgeois.

Is it all the male European whites that aren't from Ireland and Scotland? Shall we say that it is mainly the protestants? The Dutch and Puritans and so forth?



I don't know why you need to be so personal, B.low J.ob. We know that everyone's your comrade. That's what throwbacks calling each other 'comrade' are for. You only distinguish based on personal ideology and class. If they believe in their right to provide a luxurious lifestyle for their friends and loved ones, then fuck 'em the selfish bastards. Freedom is only for the bourgeoisie.

It's interesting that you name your blog "Red Ant". You've been working on it, I like the new design. Apart from being fairly vicious, they're mobs, tribes, one faceless organism, devoid of personality or individuality, unthinking, believers in the sanctity of following orders and the chain of command, knowing their place, ruthless, without imagination or feeling, with their thoughts broadcast to them via radio. Very apt.

I know you would never imply that comradeship is restricted based on your bloodlines. That would be discriminatory. Your bloodlines would make you more revolutionary though. And it's not as if any Irishmen were complicit in the forging of the British Empire.

[1871]

Was that last comment ironic Hamish?

The problem with the poor darlings whose luxury lifestyles are providing for 'their loved ones' bless 'em is that its gained at the expense of those beneath 'em; the dirty 'mob'. Let them eat cake. lol.

Its the Scots who, as we know, were the Plantation owners who formed the descendant of the Unionist majority in Ulster - hence the support for the UVF and UDA in Scotland. The 'Anglo' Ascendancy in the Republic were largely booted out, after the '21 war, though a lot managed to keep hold of their lands to this day, their soldiers and rule still in the North. I wonder if there's people who believe Ulster men are English lol. The English just back them up and think they rule - just as they think they rule everywhere else. The old Rule Britannia shit - which is there to this day.

I'd still like to know which specific European white men though.
Scandinavians perhaps?

Comrade Hamish - Vegan has his site named in your honour after your sig. Be proud. Throwbacks of the world unite !

[Fuzzly Bear]

Kind of, but also thinking of all the Irish that took the King's Shilling and went off to fight in his wars.

I don't want to hear about Scandinavia.

Comrade 1871, that unfortunately wasn't me that said it. It was some poncey Parision. One can only wish.

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