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~~JAE~~ · (This post was last modified: 11-01-2010 03:00 AM by JAE.)

DMX - What These Bitches Want

Warning: Extremely Explicit Version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3mfLwT4qjo

MPAC - Queens of Islam

Now tell me Islam degrades women... tell me...

(I said ISLAM, not MUSLIMS... read)
This also ain't gonna be absolute adequate 'proof' to you but this is the bottom line

P.S. http://www.immortaltechnique.co.uk/Threa...rkini-swim

**Killuminati** · 09-11-2010, 07:25 AM

I have a close Muslim friend who told me all about how Islam empowers women, and how the degradation of women is a bunch of bs by a 'few' Muslims who do not represent Islam in it's purest form. Thanks for sharing MS.

**Gezus** · 09-11-2010, 07:34 AM

Damn i cant see the vids. I will have to check them out when i have my laptop.

Im sure Islam does not degrade women but that dont mean degrading does not happen. It happens everywhere around the world and its sad to see.

**Fuzzly Bear** · 09-11-2010, 04:16 PM

Ja, Islam and followers of Islam are two different things. I don't recall Christ saying anything about covering for paedos but it still happens.

**syth1230** · (This post was last modified: 09-16-2010 07:27 PM by syth1230.)

(09-11-2010 04:16 PM)HamishFTW Wrote: Ja, Islam and followers of Islam are two different things. I don't recall Christ saying anything about covering for paedos but it still happens.

True that. One cannot judge a following (Islam in this case) by it's followers, but, only by it's ideals (the qur'an in this case).

**Morning Star/DNRX** · (This post was last modified: 09-16-2010 04:43 PM by Morning Star/DNRX.)

What, like those two videos are the burden of proof that no Muslim ever degraded a woman and all Westerners do? Come on. Women are the most vulnerable section of society in all parts of the world and suffer in every single country, city and block of the whole planet.

I understand wanting to fight the orientalist trope that has been placed on Islam of mistreating women,for this is a false perception and a generalization (which are always dangerous). Trying to turn the black to white and white to black, however, doesn't do anything. You need to point people towards the grey areas, show them this situation is not absolutist but rather completely subjective and present everywhere. That's a way more compelling case.

~~JAE~~ · 09-16-2010, 07:17 PM

(09-16-2010 04:43 PM)Morning Star/DNRX Wrote: What, like those two videos are the burden of proof that no Muslim ever degraded a woman and all Westerners do? Come on. Women are the most vulnerable section of society in all parts of the world and suffer in every single country, city and block of the whole planet.

This thread was NOT about Muslims degrading women as you said, it was about Islamic prinicples. Hamish and syth both outlined this correctly:

(09-16-2010 03:13 PM)syth1230 Wrote:
(09-11-2010 04:16 PM)HamishFTW Wrote: Ja, Islam and followers of Islam are two different things. I don't recall Christ saying anything about covering for paedos but it still happens.

True that. One cannot judge a following (religion in this case) by it's followers, but, only by it's ideals (the qur'an in this case).

(09-16-2010 04:43 PM)Morning Star/DNRX Wrote: I understand wanting to fight the orientalist trope that has been placed on Islam of mistreating women,for this is a false perception and a generalization (which are always dangerous). Trying to turn the black to white and white to black, however, doesn't do anything. You need to point people towards the grey areas, show them this situation is not absolutist but rather completely subjective and present everywhere. That's a way more compelling case.

You may have misunderstood but I had NO intention to point the finger towards Western culture degrading women and say that 'Islam is better than Western in treatment of women'. My point was to simply show an Islamic perspective expressed in a song.

A word in general to everyone, the actions of Muslims don't entirely represent is Islam, Islam represents itself.

I am not saying that YOU or EVERYONE says that Islam degrades women, I am just addressing a point that SOME have this false notion. Just as not EVERYONE thinks 'Islam is of the Devil' and it's just a mere few that do. Please don't misunderstand this point.

Peace.

**Introcluse** · 01-15-2012, 09:34 PM

if u are in any doubt about the misogynistic nature of islam listen to/watch this

mp3

Code:

http://www.limelinx.com/files/9dd93173094fdee64e8fa8671a15ad27

**Younes** · 01-15-2012, 09:41 PM

Riveting Tale, Chap.

**Gezus** · 01-15-2012, 11:32 PM

**1871** · (This post was last modified: 01-16-2012 12:35 AM by 1871.)

http://www.rawa.org/self_immolation/violence2.htm

Quote:October 22, 2004: Zarah, 19-years-old, shows scars that she suffered when she set fire to herself at the climax of an argument with her husband only three months into their marriage in Herat, Afghanistan. She said her husband was beating her for disobedience and she wanted to prove to him that she did not want to live with him. Zarah is now divorced and lives with her mother.
The problems facing women in Afghanistan are complex and are closely linked to their subordinate position in the Afghan society where conservative Islamic laws and traditions dictate what a woman is allowed to do in a male dominated world. Forced marriages, domestic violence, poverty and lack of access to education are several reasons for suicide.

image at;

http://www.rawa.org/self_immolation/self...tion15.htm

**Rebel Assault** · 12-04-2009

great vid Jae!