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**1871** · (This post was last modified: 02-20-2012 07:54 PM by 1871.)

has that got to do with Megaupload Tex?

Once they are in the public domain? I dunno. Question to you;

How is research eg; scientific/medical to be funded? How are scholarly journals to afford publication? How do people feed themselves and their children, pay the rent etc?

The comment;

Quote:“If I can remove even one dollar of ill-gained income from a poisonous industry which acts to suppress scientific and historic understanding, then whatever personal cost I suffer will be justified,” Maxwell said in his torrent post. Do you think scientific papers should be available for free download from academic journals? """""

is bizaare given the sheer amount of knowledge you can get over the internet of the library - so if you want to dig deeper for some specialist knowledge that someoner has written and you want that knowledge that they have written then you could pay.

To use the same example - let MIT open its door to everyone - everyone can become a student. Again - who will pay and how?

Tex -

has that to do with Megaupload.

Question to you; who pays for research? How do journals survive and publish if no one gets paid and journakls cant afford to publish/

Everyone works for free - how do people eat/afford the rent etc?

**Tex** · (This post was last modified: 02-20-2012 07:16 AM by Tex.)

1871 Wrote:answer - if its in the public domain

question;

how do you fund research, journals etc publishing,printing if people dont get paid?

who puts the food on the table? who pays the landlord?

(02-20-2012 03:13 AM)1871 Wrote: has that got to do with Megaupload Tex?

Once they are in the public domain? I dunno. Question to you;

How is research eg; scientific/medical to be funded? How are scholarly journals to afford publication? How do people feed themselves and their children, pay the rent etc?

The comment;

Quote:“If I can remove even one dollar of ill-gained income from a poisonous industry which acts to suppress scientific and historic understanding, then whatever personal cost I suffer will be justified,” Maxwell said in his torrent post. Do you think scientific papers should be available for free download from academic journals? """""

is bizaare given the sheer amount of knowledge you can get over the internet of the library - so if you want to dig deeper for some specialist knowledge that someoner has written and you want that knowledge that they have written then you could pay.

To use the same example - let MIT open its door to everyone - everyone can become a student. Again - who will pay and how?
Tex - has that to do with Megaupload.

Question to you; who pays for research? How do journals survive and publish if no one gets paid and journakls cant afford to publish/

Everyone works for free - how do people eat/afford the rent etc?

we are growing/participating in an idea cancer that's testing/eroding ideas of patents and copyrights and value in general... (megaupload is testing/eroding ideas that obsolete laws, or make them look ungovernable (anarchy)) even our money is getting devalued so the "how do people eat" question is a question of value and the redefinition of value as we rethink "Laws" how will the musicans eat how will the movies stars eat. Its coming up for a restart (return to very local) anything that can be digitized will have its value redefined. If it's already falling - push it!

**1871** · (This post was last modified: 02-20-2012 08:51 PM by 1871.)

Didnt answer the question Tex.

Quote:(megaupload is testing/eroding ideas that obsolete laws, or make them look ungovernable (anarchy)

incorrect - they are not - they merely reproduce old ideas of bourgie scammers getting rich and living in big mansions. making themselves millionaires off the labour of others - old idea. The best you could say about them is that they were a parasite on a parasite. Some 'new world' that is and it isnt anarchy - but if you really believe what youve said then you clearly have little understanding of what anarchy actually is. Megaupload took money for their own profit - they were not trying to deconstruct a system merely buying into it by making a profit for their own greed - they did not obsolete money or the political power process - and they hadnt an intention of doing so. They did not put that money back to labour and only said they did when it came to putting in a pleas bargain. It was a scam.

Quote:even our money is getting devalued so the "how do people eat" question

Money isnt 'devalued' into buying food - that was its initial purpose

Quote:a question of value and the redefinition of value as we rethink "Laws" how will the musicans eat how will the movies stars eat

it does not redefine value. You shift into generalities before you have even started to think or address the issue - which you sidestep for more 'theres a new brave new world coming' rhetoric..

How will anyone eat - why begin to define class if you evade talking about it ?you still have not answered the question - just more slogans.

Quote:Its coming up for a restart (return to very local) anything that can be digitized will have its value redefined.

This you dont develop and merely accept that that necessarily is a good idea without examining who had the power for that process and which (corporations) will oversee the process which you refuse to examine. You also dont examine the issue of who can afford technology etc or even the extent to which technology is liberating - you merely accept that it is without question.

Quote: If it's already falling - push it!

so you think - then you use examples which actually consolidate the old system (Megaupload) not alternative systems.

**Tex** · 02-21-2012, 12:34 AM

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but who will pay the cotton pickers wait who will pick the cotton...

So you say my position is flawed... then why does it feel so irreversibly?

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really i just like it that this thread gets read and discussed, we are here for each other. (in this digital setting anyway)

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**Gezus** · 02-21-2012, 12:42 AM

I haven't read anything in this thread for a while so is it really back?

**YaelTheGreat** · 02-21-2012, 12:45 AM

I don't think so, I tried to download something from it and it said it no longer exists.

**Gezus** · (This post was last modified: 02-21-2012 01:11 AM by Gezus.)

Yea the normal webiste url comes up with a fbi warning thing or whatever, but it could be new url or something, kind of like what wikileaks did. But yea as far as I have seen it is dead. Plus I am sure people would be wary about uploading/downloading shit there now.

**1871** · (This post was last modified: 02-21-2012 02:17 PM by 1871.)

(02-21-2012 12:34 AM)Tex Wrote: [[insert slogan here]]
but who will pay the cotton pickers wait who will pick the cotton...

So you say my position is flawed... then why does it feel so irreversibly?

[[insert slogan here]]

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[[insert slogan here]][[insert slogan here]]

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really i just like it that this thread gets read and discussed, we are here for each other. (in this digital setting anyway)

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Forget about the slogans just answer the f***** questions.

1.Re; cotton pickers - workers ((should)) get paid on what they produce and sell.
The Megaupload example is that the cotton pickers work to pick the cotton and a group of parasites take their work and produce and profit from it.This also happens on the corporate scale where corporates use the market as their exclusive monopoly.
Like how the way you continually infer that workers are/should be{?)/have to be(??) slaves ? The internet hasnt stopped Greece and other countries going down the drain.

Quote:So you say my position is flawed... then why does it feel so irreversibly?

Irreversibly flawed? lol. I suppose that people often overestimate the 'revolutionary' changes of technology while underestimating and ignoring the way that the social/political structures remain intact and will merely control the technology - making the rich richer. Or they read into the technology ideas that it will be able to change society/social problems which have little to do with technology.
You pay the broadband companies for the use of the internet right?

http://www.itproportal.com/2012/02/05/bt...-increase/

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/news/a...rowth.html

So there are opportunities for being self employed/running your own business. Tell me a time when that hasnt existed. The internet helps further that for sure, but if it were the revolution you claim it to be then you wouldnt be seeing the banks walk away with billions while the are protests and riots across the world. Technology just as much helps business as usual as it helps new opportunities.

**Tex** · 02-22-2012, 04:03 AM

Yes they "the cotton pickers" should have the opportunity to accept as value remuneration (get paid) once. no royalties, no copyright dividends, not patent dividends.

if we are using an artificial compounding money system the only thing the internet can do is distort current trade-ables (so no the internet will not save Greece as the tools its using (current type of money) is artificial and supernatural, and discord is apparent.

and now ill adapt/mashup that idea to megaupload

if we are using an artificial information distribution system (the internet) the only thing the internet can do is distort the business of media (so no the internet will not save music copyrights and patent "laws" as the tools its using to govern these art forms were written pre digital environment... sounds and images taken into the mind are subjective, artificial and supernatural.