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**YaelTheGreat** · 02-09-2012, 01:17 PM

Native Americans had a heirarchal society where the elders dictated the terms of life= government. Groups of people working toghether does not mean government. I don't know how free societies will function, but that does not matter. A society based on violent government is not the answer.

**1871** · 02-09-2012, 03:32 PM

**Asshole** · 02-09-2012, 10:27 PM

(02-09-2012 06:30 AM)Djoser Wrote: Humans are perfectly capable of governing themselves. Governance from some type of political body is not necessary.

governance by democracy over matters that address the community collectively, such as the economy is however necessary. and a proletarian state is necessary in socialism until capitalism is defeated.

**ClichéGuevara** · 02-09-2012, 10:31 PM

It's not so much a case of defeating capitalism as it is evolving from it.

**Djoser** · 02-09-2012, 10:33 PM

That's...redundant. What I meant by "governance" was that no exclusive political body had a decision on matters.

Democracy is decisions by the community.

Humans don't need someone hovering over them telling them what to do.

If a community needs something, they won't make a request to some senate or congress, but they'll talk it out amongst themselves as a community. That's what I mean. We are perfectly capable of that and we see that in oppositions to tyranny.

**Asshole** · (This post was last modified: 02-09-2012 10:34 PM by Asshole.)

defeating the bourgeois who preserve capitalism

(02-09-2012 10:33 PM)Djoser Wrote: That's...redundant. What I meant by "governance" was that no exclusive political body had a decision on matters.

Democracy is decisions by the community.

Humans don't need someone hovering over them telling them what to do.

If a community needs something, they won't make a request to some senate or congress, but they'll talk it out amongst themselves as a community. That's what I mean. We are perfectly capable of that and we see that in oppositions to tyranny.

that would work on local community matters such as food distribution but not larger global issues

**ClichéGuevara** · 02-09-2012, 10:34 PM

Laz, do you view capitalism as being entirely evil?

**Asshole** · 02-09-2012, 10:37 PM

no i actually just wrote an essay on the french revolution where i gave a theoretical blowjob to capitalism's advance from feudalism. the word evil has no place in theory or analysis. capitalism is inherently oppressive but less so then feudalism or slavery.

**Djoser** · 02-09-2012, 10:37 PM

(02-09-2012 10:33 PM)Laz Wrote: defeating the bourgeois who preserve capitalism

(02-09-2012 10:33 PM)Djoser Wrote: That's...redundant. What I meant by "governance" was that no exclusive political body had a decision on matters.

Democracy is decisions by the community.

Humans don't need someone hovering over them telling them what to do.

If a community needs something, they won't make a request to some senate or congress, but they'll talk it out amongst themselves as a community. That's what I mean. We are perfectly capable of that and we see that in oppositions to tyranny.

that would work on local community matters such as food distribution but not larger global issues

It would require cooperation from various regions. To talk about global appliance would all become theory.

**1871** · (This post was last modified: 02-09-2012 10:43 PM by 1871.)

Quote: Laz

no i actually just wrote an essay on the french revolution where i gave a theoretical blowjob to capitalism's advance from feudalism

lolx 10

**Rick Ross 187** · 02-10-2012, 12:05 AM

(02-09-2012 04:00 AM)Laz Wrote: working with the international marxist tendency to end capitalism, doing my very small and humble share.

lol u guys say the Big Bang didnt happen cause it supposedly contradicts the idea of dialectics or some shit right? I think its in your leaders book 'Reason and Revolution'

**YaelTheGreat** · 02-10-2012, 12:22 AM

Laz do you honestly believe that a Socialist state, where the power is held in the hands of a few "great minds"?