Libya's new "democracy"

[Younes]

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Thats not the popular belief amongst many Laz, not everybody looks at the world like you do.

I could care less, fucking everybody is a crooked, or bad mother fucker at some point except few.

But fact is that popular belief among people in the middle east is, that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, support for Israel and all that intervention shit is a war to combat Islam and the Muslim's chance to rise a caliphate again, an Islamic superpower.
They also tend to believe that bombs that targets civilians in their countries n other places aint even Al-Qaeda, but foreign agents n shit that wanna create falseflag operations...

I consider Al-Qaeda to be wrongly canalized anger and fustration.

[Asshole]

well, we on the left criticize anything we disagree with for whatever we can find. so don't feel singled out.

[zanj uhuru]

younes rebel assault is proving a contradiction the same way anyone does when they say al Qaeda was supported by the us in Afghanistan even so does it mean all the mujahedden were al Qaeda and Taliban members no you had ahmed shah masoud gharbadden what ever the fuck his name is and a bunch of other people fighting a soviet invasion the same concept applies to libya no one not even the Gaddafi regime itself claimed that the demonstrations in Benghazi were illegitimate but when police are executed police station torched protester shooting next to unarmed people shit looks like a recipe for disaster i want everybody to know that i supported the ''revolution'' even when NATO bombs were being dropped but when my black brothers and sisters are lynched persecuted and discriminated for skin color and pursuit of opportunity and then you [rebels specifically nsfl]try to justify it and rub it off as unimportant instead of yielding your way and not showing the world that you are complete hypocrites .

[Rebel Assault]

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/11/22/libya...-of-power/

Quote:In Bow to West, New Libya Cabinet Nixes Islamists
Can NTC Rule Without One of Its Largest Factions?
by Jason Ditz, November 22, 2011
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In a move that will settle once and for all how Libya’s National Transitional Council (NTC) will handle the growing split between its faction of Islamists and its faction of former Gadhafi loyalists, Prime Minister ElKeib unveiled his new cabinet today.

The cabinet, incredibly, cut the Islamist faction, which controls virtually the entire NTC-loyal fighting force, out of the government. The cabinet is entirely made up of old Gadhafi loyalists, with the occasional tribal leader thrown in for good measure.

The most notable snubbing was military leader and former CIA torturee Abdulhakim Belhaj, who had been assumed to be a shoe-in for the Defense Ministry portfolio. Belhaj was not only not given that, but is not in the cabinet at all.

The move is being spun initially as an effort to placate Western interests who are having a hard time wrapping their heads around replacing Gadhafi with a number of Islamist leaders. In reality, however, it may be the first shot fired in a new civil war in post-Gadhafi Libya.

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(11-07-2011 07:31 AM)zanj uhuru Wrote:  younes rebel assault is proving a contradiction the same way anyone does when they say al Qaeda was supported by the us in Afghanistan even so does it mean all the mujahedden were al Qaeda and Taliban members no you had ahmed shah masoud gharbadden what ever the fuck his name is and a bunch of other people fighting a soviet invasion the same concept applies to libya no one not even the Gaddafi regime itself claimed that the demonstrations in Benghazi were illegitimate but when police are executed police station torched protester shooting next to unarmed people shit looks like a recipe for disaster i want everybody to know that i supported the ''revolution'' even when NATO bombs were being dropped but when my black brothers and sisters are lynched persecuted and discriminated for skin color and pursuit of opportunity and then you [rebels specifically nsfl]try to justify it and rub it off as unimportant instead of yielding your way and not showing the world that you are complete hypocrites .

Gadaffi forces had actually fired on demonstrators at Bengazi killing many. Were the demonstrators who were killed also your brothers and sisters or are they only your brothers and sisters because of their skin colour and ethnicity ?

Belhaj not in the Government is an indication/failure of the 'revolution'.
Belhaj had a lot of embarrasing info regarding MI5 involvement and malfeasance as he was tortured with their involvement - this was an important trade down.

[Rebel Assault]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov...sfeed=true

Quote:Libyan rebels detaining thousands illegally, Ban Ki-moon reports

Libya's former rebels are holding thousands of people in makshift detention centres, the UN says. Photograph: Ciro Fusco/EPA

Libya's former rebels have illegally detained thousands of people, including women and children, according to the United Nations secretary general.

Many of the 7,000 prisoners have been tortured, with some black Africans mistreated because of their skin colour, women being held under male supervision and children locked up alongside adults, the report by Ban Ki-moon found.

The report, due to be published on Monday, presents a grim assessment of Libya following the civil war, with many prisoners held in private jails not under the control of the interim government and denied access to due legal process.

The UN chief said: "While prisoners held by the Gaddafi regime had been released, an estimated 7,000 detainees are currently held in prisons and makeshift detention centres, most of which are under the control of revolutionary brigades."

Prisoners had "no access to due process in the absence of a functioning police and judiciary", he added. Most courts were "not fully operational" due to a lack of security and a reduction in the number of judges and administrative staff.

Ban said that sub-Saharan Africans accounted for many of the detainees, while members of Libya's Tawerga community had faced reprisals, including revenge killings, for their role in attacks by Gaddafi forces on the city of Misrata.

While Gaddafi employed some fighters from neighbouring countries as mercenaries, other Africans worked in civilian jobs in the oil-rich North African country. Human rights groups claim that some rebels made no distinction between the two.

The report raised concern about "disturbing reports" that war crimes had been committed by the rebels and former government forces in Sirte, where deposed dictator Muammar Gaddafi was captured and killed last month.

UN officials have called on Libyans to respect human rights and refrain from revenge attacks after months of fierce fighting between rebels and Gaddafi loyalists.

Ban said that while the ruling National Transitional Council had made some moves to transfer detainees from private to state prisons, "much remains to be done to regularise detention, prevent abuse and bring about the release of those whose detention should not be prolonged".

Libya's acting justice minister has handed the UN mission in Libya a draft law on transitional justice, with the goal of uncovering the truth behind human rights violations, reconciling the country's various rival factions, trying war criminals and compensating victims.

The UN's concerns about Libya emerged as Bahrain's western-backed security forces were accused of using "excessive force" and torture during the crackdown on the Pearl revolution this year in a critical official report.

The Bahrain independent commission of inquiry published a report on Wednesday which detailed the use by the information ministry and the national security agency of "a systematic practice of physical and psychological mistreatment, which in many cases amounted to torture".

King Hamad Al Khalifa welcomed the report and pledged reforms and an end to impunity. But he ignored its finding that Iran was not involved in the unrest and blamed Tehran's "propaganda" for fuelling sectarian strife.

The Bahraini government has pledged there would be no immunity for crimes. "All those who have broken the law or ignored lawful orders and instructions will be held accountable," it said.

But Sheikh Ali Salman, leader of al-Wefaq, the main Shia political group, said: "We cannot say Bahrain is turning over a new leaf yet... because the government that carried out all those abuses is definitely not fit to be given the responsibility of implementing recommendations."

The inquiry was appointed by King Hamad but headed by the US-Egyptian Cherif Bassiouni, a respected international lawyer. It was asked to investigate whether the events of February and March "involved violations of international human rights law and norms".