Freemasonry

[ClichéGuevara]

I still stand by what I said. Sure, a number of people have been Masons and it obviously has helped them in life. That's cause it's a fraternal brotherhood. If your brother needed help, you'd help him.

I don't think their role has anything to do with religion or politics, they aren't allowed to discuss either in their lodges.

[Boboulas]

How do you know any of them are masons?

[shakur420]

^check the references/footnotes on the wiki page. Link is there.

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(02-07-2010 10:58 AM)Sean Wrote:  I don't think their role has anything to do with religion or politics, they aren't allowed to discuss either in their lodges.

Are you a Freemason? If not, how do you know for sure what does and does not go on inside of a lodge during a meeting?

(02-07-2010 10:58 AM)Sean Wrote:  Sure, a number of people have been Masons and it obviously has helped them in life.

It's not about whether people of a certain group "help each other". It's about,

(02-07-2010 06:13 AM)shakur420 Wrote:  ...central people involved in creating a country, running it, fighting it's wars, creating it's laws and dishing out it's justice are all part of the same "club"...

When that's a reality, are we really supposed to just brush off the integration of this group's members into such important parts of our societies? Especially when their group activities are secret? Is that really a serious position to take?







For example, if I was a general in say, Bolivia. I belong to the same Lodge as the newly appointed U.S. Secretary of State. If tomorrow, a new campaign is launched in Bolivia to eradicate the cocoa plant in my country, and it is announced by the U.S. as the next step in the "war on drugs". They also state that they will be providing arms, supplies, military training as well as funding to me so that I may launch this new offensive. Ok, fine, everything goes pretty much as planned. It takes 5, 10 years, whatever. Now, after say, 10 years, you hear some obscure mention on the news that the government of Bolivia was ousted in a military coup, and you probably don't even give it a second thought. What you don't know, because you're not gonna look it up, is that I'm the general who overthrew the government - and I was able to do so because of the funding, training and arms I was given 10 years prior in order to go around looting and stealing from whoever I wanted in my country - including drug lords, building my army and growing strong. What you also won't know is that this was thought out, planned and agreed upon between me and my U.S. Secretary of State contact that I knew threw my Masonic Lodge.


This doesn't apply to just Freemasonry. It's not outlandish or unlikely. Read some Noam Chomsky. He details things like this between politicians, governments and the shadiest of characters. This is not fiction. It's what really happens in the world, and how countries have been built and strengthened. So, if politicians do shit like that, if governments do shit like, if military leaders do shit like that, what makes you think a Freemason wouldn't do something like that?

[El Mono]

But is Wikipedia a reliable source

[ClichéGuevara]

(02-07-2010 02:28 PM)shakur420 Wrote:  So, if politicians do shit like that, if governments do shit like, if military leaders do shit like that, what makes you think a Freemason wouldn't do something like that?

Simple answer is, I'm not paranoid about it. Everything's secret so they seem like they have some importance, some mystical goings on that makes people wonder. People fear what they don't understand, then they make up conspiracy theories to turn people against.

If they were really so powerful how come Hitler had the 10 German Masonic Lodges dissolved? How come many Freemasons victims of Concentration Camps too? You could say that they did to hide their secrets, but really, why would they kill their "brothers"?

How about we just join the Masons and see what it's really about it? Instead of spreading conspiracy theories and rumours about them.

[messinjure]

remember that it all works like a pyramid , top down in order of hiearchy. Masons are a brotherhood, with degrees/levels. bottom degrees dont know wut the higher degrees discuss. the lower degrees may believe in the total oppositte of what the higher degrees believe.
since they are a brotherhood. its basically "bros before hoes(countries)" or "money over bitches(nations)"
their oath is with their brothers. this globe to them is like playing the game "civilization" or "risk".
and masons are of every race imaginable. their intelligence is beyond the the thought of race it is a well planned game that they enjoy .using us as the pieces.
I dont agree or disagree with freemasonry, it is a personal journey in your own self to seek further enlightenment. but remember that you will be turned inside out in your beliefs and twisted again and if yourself is still intact you may proceed past 3rd dgree.you must come back into this world like a baby, knowing nothing and learning everything with intellect not emotion,

blah blah blah did any of that make sense? lol

[Gezus]

if wikipedia is a fully reliable source then im a freemason...

[Sasha]

Masons are weird. There very secretive. I have no clue what to think about them.

[shakur420]

You guys don't understand how to use wiki. Check the footnotes that are riddled throught the pages. They will lead you to the references below which can be links to articles, books, publications, websites, etc. The thing with Freemasonry is that membership is not secret. I believe that the membership list is published every year. That's not even an issue.


@Sean. Exactly what I'm talking about. If I mention the political corruption of our governments or leaders, there's no issue. But, as soon as I ask you why you would think that Freemasons would be immune from engaging in corrupt and unsavory activity, I'm now, all of a sudden spreading "conspiracy theories" about them. It seems as though members of Masonic lodges are the paranoid "conspiracy theorists" who think that people are out to demonize them because of inquiries about their moral conduct. I never claimed that they have all this power - in fact, the heart of my point is that we should find out just how much influence they have, and have had, as a group. Would you care to explain how the example I laid out is implausible and is not an exmple that shows that we should be asking how much of our politics, trade, etc. are influenced directly by Masonic membership?

[Malayo-Polynesian]

This is some scary stuff sometimes, their supposedly secret agendas. When push comes to shove hopefully people are ready for it.

[ChunChu]

^ how do you know they have an agenda? what is their agenda then? and get ready for what?

[psy0nyd3]

@ChunChuu: Is there any organization or 'club' that does not have any agenda/goals?

What correlation does the Bohemian Grove have to the Masons? I know nearly ALL past/future presidents are members of the grove, and many of those are also Masons.

What are some good reliable avenues to research this type of stuff?