Ahmadi's/Qadiyani's - What do you know and what do you think?

[Younes]

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I Didnt see the Qarimiteen or Alaween on that list, neither did I see the Ibadi... or Deobandi... and I have heard the same Hadith with a different number, and to be honest I doubt that claim that the other ones will be in hell.
a Hadith by the prophet said that the Ulama who gives his interpretation of Islam which he have with his full heart tried to understand with out pulling his own agendas in, but still he is wrong, he will get 1 hasanat because in the end, he tried to understand Islam in the sake of Allah... the one who gets it right will get 2 hasanat, because he tried to understand Islam in the sake of Allah and got it right...

btw couldn't the different Marja's school of law & jurispudences be considered a sect by them selfs? cuz if they could, the number would tower way beyond 73...

[rotten.dog]

(12-29-2010 06:08 PM)Introcluse Wrote:  in reply to sick from this thread

http://www.immortaltechnique.co.uk/Threa...0#pid73440

you would know it if you would've read it.

why would you assume I haven't read it?

Yes the Quran contains contains a scattering of 'scientific' statements, to impress us all, however much of the Science is claimed to have been stolen from where Islam was colonised, and much of it has porven to be Scientifically incorrect.

Yes the Quran isn't 100% bad, if it was it would go into oblivion. For this reason, some good things are included in the Quran, so that Muslims continue to champion the the Quran and stop Islam from completely disappearing of the face of this Earth. The Quran has some general common sense and morals. However Morality, Ethics & Conciousness were concepts that have been around long before the Quran

Haha, but whats the proof you got?

During that time their were no library's where you could find Jezus', Mozes' Holy books, to find any information in. You could be even punished for reading the Bible, because this was a privelige, and may only be read by the ''upper class''.

And i totally have to disagree with you for saying that ''the Quran isn't 100% bad at all''. What's so bad in it that you don't like?

The Quran is the only book that will remain complete till the day of the Last Judgment. It's written in the first Surah of the Quran itself, while in the other books their is no such guarantee, and still a good Muslim must respect every Holy book and believe in it, and must give the same respect to a Christian, Jew, Hindu, Budhist but not a jew, no just kidding...

[Introcluse]

Haha, but whats the proof you got?

read the History of Philosophy mate

And i totally have to disagree with you for saying that ''the Quran isn't 100% bad at all''. What's so bad in it that you don't like?

lol, where do you want me to start ? How about the antagonising overtones towards Christians & Jews? How about the Quran ordering men to beat their Wives if they disobey their Husbands ? How about the fact that is was allegedly given to us by Allah, who is continuously lavishing superlatives upon himself thru out the book and referring to him/herself in a 3rd person context. Would a supreme being would be so narcissistic & self absorbed ?

The Quran is the only book that will remain complete till the day of the Last Judgment.

If the Quran is so perfect, why is it so widely criticised not just among Islamaphobes, but Impartial Academic Theologists & Historians ?

[rotten.dog]

(12-30-2010 06:55 PM)Introcluse Wrote:  Haha, but whats the proof you got?

read the History of Philosophy mate

And i totally have to disagree with you for saying that ''the Quran isn't 100% bad at all''. What's so bad in it that you don't like?

lol, where do you want me to start ? How about the antagonising overtones towards Christians & Jews? How about the Quran ordering men to beat their Wives if they disobey their Husbands ? How about the fact that is was allegedly given to us by Allah, who is continuously lavishing superlatives upon himself thru out the book and referring to him/herself in a 3rd person context. Would a supreme being would be so narcissistic & self absorbed ?

The Quran is the only book that will remain complete till the day of the Last Judgment.

If the Quran is so perfect, why is it so widely criticised not just among Islamaphobes, but Impartial Academic Theologists & Historians ?

Really dude, this conversation will take a bit too long if you keep going like this, come with proof, not with your own arguments, if you say something give me the reference of it.

You are telling me to read a book, no problem. But its kinda handy too give me the name of the writer too and in what chapter i need to look, because their are like 7/8 books called like that with an average of 200 pages ea.

[Introcluse]

Lol you can go and do your impartial research mate. I am no academic, nor do I claim to be one.

Off the top of my head these dudes dropped knowledge on ethics virtue etc
Aristotle (384 BC – 322 BC
Socrates (469 BC – 399 BC)
Epictetus (AD 55 – AD 135)

Moral codes were around way way way before Organised Religion