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**matt romney** · 09-20-2011, 07:50 PM

goddamn introcluse. read a book yourself

**High Nigga Pie** · 09-20-2011, 07:54 PM

(09-20-2011 12:59 PM)Introcluse Wrote: bobulas... how about you write a book with the title '2 plus 2 doesn't always equal four' ? let's see what scholarly/academic credence a what publisher you get for it

He could actually get a lot of credence, primarily in the philosophical field.
And Laz, I agree.

**Boboulas** · 09-20-2011, 08:36 PM

(09-20-2011 12:59 PM)Introcluse Wrote: erm no ...

2 whole numbers plus 2 whole numbers always make 4 whole numbers.. how can this be tested.... well get 4 marbles...put 2 to one side and 2 to the other side, then put them together and bob's your aunty, you get 4 marbles !

You can do basic math. YAY for you! Way to completly ignore the entire point.

(09-20-2011 12:59 PM)Introcluse Wrote: bobulas... how about you write a book with the title '2 plus 2 doesn't always equal four' ? let's see what scholarly/academic credence a what publisher you get for it

You should write a book too (autobiography ofcourse), call it "I fucking hate those paki muslims and anything remotely related to religion, i have a closed mind and really struggle to think outside the box"

**Fuzzly Bear** · 09-21-2011, 08:11 AM

you guys are fucking lame

**High Nigga Pie** · 09-21-2011, 12:25 PM

Whaaat? No we isn't.

**Introcluse** · 09-22-2011, 06:59 PM

lol bobulas where did race come into this?

i love it when any analysis of religion which doesn't revere it makes you a racist. Yeh let's demonise individuals to distract people away from the fact thats you can't rebuke it's criticism.

btw im ethnically pakistani

**Fuzzly Bear** · 09-23-2011, 08:26 AM

i'm ethnically a fucking cunt.
one day i'll watch this video

**Introcluse** · (This post was last modified: 01-06-2012 01:14 PM by Introcluse.)

the book is out

interview with Krauss on the book

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/every...d-nothing/

**High Nigga Pie** · 01-27-2012, 05:32 PM

After wathing this again, he never proved it came out of nothing. He is talking about the positive and negative energy canceling each other out, therefore producing 'nothing'. But to me energy is not nothing, therefore the asumption is there was something before the world was created. A better theory needs to be made. Someone need to define what nothing is. Saying that negative and positive energy results in cancelation and is therefore nothing, Is like saying burning history books therefore eliminates the existence of history itself.

A lot of the stuff he is saying is very interesting, but the name of the talk is not accurate of what is presented. His assumption is that something- energy, quantuam fluctuations- were there before our universe began. Nothing is the absense of, not the cancelation of, you can't just make up you own definitions.

**Introcluse** · (This post was last modified: 02-14-2012 06:15 PM by Introcluse.)

YTG^^ that's why you gotta read the book

a discussion with krauss & dawkins on feb 4 2012

here he answers some questions

**High Nigga Pie** · 02-14-2012, 06:53 PM

This shows that he assumes that nothing means the negation of two somethings; that's not nothing. In order for a quantuam fluctuation to occur, their must be something to fluctuate.

**High Nigga Pie** · 02-15-2012, 12:38 AM

"I spend a great deal of time in the book detailing precisely how physics has changed our notions of “nothing,” for example. The old idea that nothing might involve empty space, devoid of mass or energy, or anything material, for example, has now been replaced by a boiling bubbling brew of virtual particles, popping in and out of existence in a time so short that we cannot detect them directly."
- Lawrence Krauss

This is from that interview you posted up. He changed the definition of nothing, making it into random flickerings, which is not what people mean when they say nothing.