A Generation To Come

[R.I.O.T. {019}]

The other day, I saw these two kids playing around. They looked about like 3 and 5 years old. I saw them, and they seemed to be having a great time just running around and exploring their environment. Then it hit me, do these kids know their purpose in life yet? Do they know that a revelation is just around the corner? Do they know that they're going to grow up in a world where its much more chaotic when it is right now? All these questions popped into my head, and I just feel so sorry for them. How we f**ked it up for them in a way? And the generation after that to come, there's a chance that they won't even have a childhood. Not to long ago, I was a kid. I remember I thought, "Ima graduate high school, go to college, get a job, pursue my dream, have a wife and kids, accomplish my dreams, get old, retire, and die". Wow, was I off by a long shot lmfao. And time passes really fast. A decade may seem like a year. Its just all the stuff in between that makes it "long". My point here is, when they (kids that are less than 7 years old, and the next gen. after that) realize what this world really is, how it really works, will it be too late for them to start committing to a change? Just thinking out loud...

[taif dhia]

good post. i've had experiences like that too... want to really trip out? what about 7 generations in the future? can you imagine what that would be like? will the youth even be able to play outside (safely)? they say that wether a young child can understand the concept of delayed gratification can predict their lot in life.... extrapolate this by many generations and it becomes clear that we are ruled by those who seek instant gratification with little or no regard for the future generations................ it is good to know at least some other folks out there think about it.

[Asshole]

1. watch the disney channel
2. kill oneself

[Baruh]

   

There's a proof of their innocence during the protest in Bucharest, the kid is offering a heart shaped baloon to the constable.
I have thought a lot about giving live to a son. 1st i've thought this world is to poisoned to violate this right of a kid. We lie to them about everything on this earth, and i don't know if these lies are buiding fantasies necessary to life quality, when the naked truth is the opposite of our warm words.
Now i think, i have to do it, maybe life is hard but i'll fight for my child's quality of life, providing he will have wealth of wisdom and knowledge.

[taif dhia]

(01-25-2012 08:24 AM)Laz Wrote:  1. watch the disney channel
2. kill oneself

or,
1. watch stuff like this:




2. kill ur desire for false self
3. create systems of positive interconnectedness for future generations

[Newgeninsubordinate]

Clearly, our next generation is going to grow up with a new geography of violence that consist of global warming, epidemics and social disorder as jobs become scarce because of population growth and automation. This is only "some" things that they will have to face. But what we are forgetting is that there are already solutions to some of these upcoming problems. There has been developments in energy sources like turning atmospheric CO2 into energy, developments in synthesizing plants to produce meat (meaning they can be synthesized to produce any kind of oil or major food harvest), breakthroughs in automated machinery, and developments in child rearing techniques that consist of language and idle time usage to avoid family dysfunction. The problem is that the current system has made the world into a business making many of these ideas go to waste because they will disrupt corporate interest. Call my idea radical, but I believe socializing our next generation in a different environment with different values and incentives can end up saving them in the long run as they will not be dependent on the uncontrolable aspects of the economy and current media atleast until they reach a certain age, so they can be ready to make proper decisions for themselves. Because seeing today's society, it seems we are creating more criminals than educated individuals...

[1871]

(01-25-2012 07:58 AM)R.I.O.T. {019} Wrote:  The other day, I saw these two kids playing around. They looked about like 3 and 5 years old. I saw them, and they seemed to be having a great time just running around and exploring their environment. Then it hit me, do these kids know their purpose in life yet? Do they know that a revelation is just around the corner? Do they know that they're going to grow up in a world where its much more chaotic when it is right now? All these questions popped into my head, and I just feel so sorry for them. How we f**ked it up for them in a way? And the generation after that to come, there's a chance that they won't even have a childhood. Not to long ago, I was a kid. I remember I thought, "Ima graduate high school, go to college, get a job, pursue my dream, have a wife and kids, accomplish my dreams, get old, retire, and die". Wow, was I off by a long shot lmfao. And time passes really fast. A decade may seem like a year. Its just all the stuff in between that makes it "long". My point here is, when they (kids that are less than 7 years old, and the next gen. after that) realize what this world really is, how it really works, will it be too late for them to start committing to a change? Just thinking out loud...

What is this 'revelation' that is just around the corner?? Why would they need to know 'their purpose in life ? And what do you mean 'too late'? On second thoughts - dont answer those questions....

[Asshole]

bump interesting discussion

[taif dhia]

(01-25-2012 09:24 AM)Newgeninsubordinate Wrote:  There has been developments in energy sources like turning atmospheric CO2 into energy, developments in synthesizing plants to produce meat (meaning they can be synthesized to produce any kind of oil or major food harvest),

good post. thanx 4 the positivity. as far as turing CO2 into energy, what exacly are you referring to? some technoutopian scheme, or cellulosic ethanol or something?plants have been turning CO2 into energy (sugar) for a long, long time (the enzymes that could break down cellulose into sugars that could be distilled into fuel have been patented and bought out, and withheld from utilization, by the same folks that are making massive profits with the current fossil fuel system) its just a matter of how we chose to utilize it.... we can make energy from plants, either as a fuel for our bodies or our vehicles/electricity generators, then store that biomass (carbon) in the soil, which can "sequester" massive amounts of it (google terra preta) creating "humus" which increases by up to 1/3 the drought tolerance of plants and eliminates the need for energy intensive fertilizers,

... imo, algae based biofuels, as well as jatropha, recycled veg oil, sugar beet and cane ethanol. ( the original diesel engine was designed to run on veg oil. and ford wanted his cars to run on ethanol) have a lot of promise... as far as genetically modifying plants to produce meat; how about just utilizing the biomass that we waste by supressing it w/herbicides and converting it to meat, through the bodies of pigs, goats and cattle ? we throw out a lot of food right now that could be converted to at least pork. pigs and goats will eat just about anything. i have a client who produces goat milk, meat, and pork. they get all their feed from one store, it would blow your mind how much stores have to throw out because people want their produce to look a certain way.

however, gmo's have largely failed to accomplish what they promised they would in the 80's (based on obsolete understandings of the genome). so i am skeptical of the claims of many of these technoutopians... creating some frankenfood scheme to make fake meat when there are plenty of lowtech ways to do that.

a lot of the solutions for our problems are embarrassingly simple. embarrassing because we chose to ignore them and hope for some sci fi solution in the future. meanwhile concentrated cattle production produces heaps of hormone and pesticide contaminated manure that sits in pools and turns to methane (way more potent greenhouse gas than co2). we could easilly turn that into energy via methane digesters / turbines... ( like organic valley, they produce most of their own power via rotting manure). human civilization, has turned forest into desert.... my field, permaculture, aims to turn desert into food forest.... we try to design our production systems for (at least) seven generations to come. but the corporate media that promotes "green" products like mercury containing cfl's choose to ignore our movement....



( a video by the guy who taught my permaculture design course, about an interesting project in Jordan, where they turned a salted desert sand flat into a productive food forest. the project lost its funding, but kept building soil w/out human intervention, but he talks about how it was somewhat mismanaged tho. super interesting if u have any interest in sustainable development )

[Newgeninsubordinate]

Quote:what exacly are you referring to?

A year ago, I remember reading an article (Can't find it now XD) about a couple of researchers that produced power cell panels that could convert carbon dioxide into energy. Companies like Pepsi Corp. and others were very interested and wasted a good deal of money to get this technology. After that article, I have heard nothing about this technology.

But new techniques have taken its place. One of them is using plastic trees that can take away 1,000 more times CO2 from the atmosphere than regular trees. Moreover, it converts this CO2 into gasoline.

http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/13/plas...-gasoline/

Quote:we can make energy from plants, either as a fuel for our bodies or our vehicles/electricity generators, then store that biomass (carbon) in the soil, which can "sequester" massive amounts of it (google terra preta) creating "humus" which increases by up to 1/3 the drought tolerance of plants and eliminates the need for energy intensive fertilizers,
...

Interesting concept.

Quote: as far as genetically modifying plants to produce meat; how about just utilizing the biomass that we waste by supressing it w/herbicides and converting it to meat, through the bodies of pigs, goats and cattle ? we throw out a lot of food right now that could be converted to at least pork. pigs and goats will eat just about anything.

Genetical modified food surely has been given bad connotations, People will not find meat comming from a plant as delicious compared to the original thing. But genicaly modified food should not be all overlooked at. Considering all the pesticides we spray in food, this now can be avoided by modifying properties of the food to help eliminate the application of
these chemical pesticides. Plus, timing can also be modified, so plants can yield its gifts faster than average. There are clearly dangers in this "modification," but I believe there are also ways to avoid the dangers if you have people working to reduce them.

Quote:a lot of the solutions for our problems are embarrassingly simple. embarrassing because we chose to ignore them and hope for some sci fi solution in the future.

Technology moves in a fast pace especially because of our population increase. What was once scifi has become reality...

Quote:human civilization, has turned forest into desert.... my field, permaculture, aims to turn desert into food forest.... we try to design our production systems for (at least) seven generations to come. but the corporate media that promotes "green" products like mercury containing cfl's choose to ignore our movement....

Very intriguing subject.. Thanks for sharing this info. It may one day help us all

I was thinking about a hydroponic system that recycles its own water while utilising green energy sources like solar power to power its pump and light. The problem is with the nutrients. What I am trying to figure out is if we can use old plants to fertilise new plants in this kind of system. If we can, we can produce plants in many more environments. Permaculture seems like a great idea btws it expands the horizon of what we are capable of doing to change the environment in significant ways.

[taif dhia]

(01-26-2012 05:25 AM)Newgeninsubordinate Wrote:  I was thinking about a hydroponic system that recycles its own water while utilising green energy sources like solar power to power its pump and light. The problem is with the nutrients. What I am trying to figure out is if we can use old plants to fertilise new plants in this kind of system. If we can, we can produce plants in many more environments. Permaculture seems like a great idea btws it expands the horizon of what we are capable of doing to change the environment in significant ways.

i was reading about a project like that a while back, ive searched everywhere to post a link but i cant find it. dude had a greenhouse, heated by surrounding active compost piles and chickens ( who's exhaled co2 boosted the growth of the plants), w/ a hydroponic garden/ tilapia aquaculture system. in wisconsin or somewhere really cold. really inspiring. the water went through the system numerous times.... hydroponics can save water but the problem is after a few cycles there are issues with contamination. so industrial hydroponic systems are all about sterilization and pest control. better to recycle the water a few times then send it into the ground for filtration, and pump it out in the dry season.

regarding technology and gmos... there is a lot of interesting innovation happening. im not anti technology per se, but when it comes to application there is always pros/cons when it comes to tech. so what u say about gmos is what they were saying they would accomplish when they first came out, however, their main application today is for herbicide tolerance, bt crops, and terminator genes. in practice, they need more chemicals, not less ( can back this up w/ sources if u want). and bt crops have been linked with all kinds of health issues from sterilization to cancer to organ failure, in rats, in the studies out there that werent funded by the biotech companies. then there is the issue of genetic pollution... there is interesting genetic modification happening in the field of algae based biofuels, where they have created a algae that makes diesel, directly. sounds awesome, but u can imagine what would happen if it were released into the environment.... so, imo the cons far outweigh the pro's. its mostly 1980s science. besides, genetic research into ag solutions has moved into genome assisted plant breeding, which looks much more promising without the craziness of transgenic mutations. basically breeding crops by taking the heirloom varieties alreadym, adapted to local bioregions by centuries of farmer selection, then maping their genome to enhance certain traits ( like salty water resistance) through selective breeding... instead of imposing a bunch of clones that are very susceptive to disease due to their lack of genetic diversity. thats the kinda stuff that gives me hope for future generations, problem is, it wont make massive profits....

[1871]

The issues are numerous - whether tyechnology can adapt fast enough to mitigate the damage caused by human expansion (Im pessimistic) and whether Governments and corporations back the funding that these technologies can be put in place.

Whatever way you look at it you need land for food cultivation and the current system of housing and urban development is inefficiient and unsustainable. Nevertheless there are positive things occuring - they just need financing and implementation on an international level - and thats to do with politics and whether Governments allocate money to maintain the arms trade or fund ideas like this;